dolph wrote:Ray, another problem you have is admitting their are TWO Israels. "For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, Rom. 9:6. "Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved", v.27.
The remnant of Jewish believers became the Church as Gentiles were grafted into the Olive tree (spiritual Israel) Carnal Israel, the progeny of the patriarchs, who killed Christ and the prophets and stoned Paul for dead 5 times are the ones called Israel or Jews today by themselves and the world. They lost their country as part of the curse of the Law but returned to Palestine in '48 as prophesied, and all will be saved at the end of the tribulation, Jacob's Trouble, Daniel's 70th Week when they see the holes in Christ's side and hands at His return. Then all Israel will be saved, Rom.11:26, not because they have been good but for the fathers' sake and for His name's sake, Ez.36:22; Rom.11:28.
Dolph, above you wrote:
"Ray, another problem you have is admitting their are TWO Israels".
(then later in this post you mention) spiritual Israel & Carnal Israel
So it's a problem for me to admitt there are "TWO Israel", Then what is it for you when you admitt there are two Israels ? revelation ?
Then you wrote:
"For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, Rom. 9:6. "Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved", v.27.
The remnant of Jewish believers became the Church as Gentiles were grafted into the Olive tree (spiritual Israel)
I agree with your statement above, You seem to go back and forth, even in the same post.