dat be true...a lot of questions can be asked of those scriptures. The smoke may go up forever, but is that for the same torments or torments upon various individuals? Scripture is never specific on certain things such as saying, "These same individuals will be tormented forever." There are so many things we don't know and all we can do is assume.rstrats wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:47 am Ironman,
re: "'Rev. 14:9-11 also proves that men will be tormented in the presence of God and angels forever.'"
I don't see where those verses prove or say that. While they do say that there will be torment in fire and brimstone, they don't say that the torment will continue forever, i.e., never end. They also say that there will be no rest day or night. But they don't say for how long that will last.
No doubt, not a good place to be. Will a sinner be tormented in the "degree" in which the sin was committed? Will the length of time for individual torment be equal to the time that the evil was committed? How will the judgment be passed? I could go on and on with this.
Revelation 20 has some interesting verses. We do see the terms forever and ever mentioned pertaining the devil, beast, and false prophet. I think there is a much bigger picture and a much more detailed one than we have.