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"Why did Jesus say, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Post by Ironman » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:23 pm

"Why did Jesus say, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46). This cry is a fulfillment of Psalm 22:1, one of many parallels between that psalm and the specific events of the crucifixion. It has been difficult to understand in what sense Jesus was “forsaken” by God. It is certain that God approved His work. It is certain that He was innocent. He had done nothing to forfeit the favor of God. As His own Son - holy, harmless, undefiled, and obedient - God still loved Him. In none of these senses could God have forsaken Him.

However, Isaiah tells us that “he bore our griefs and carried our sorrows; that he was wounded for our transgressions, and bruised for our iniquities; that the chastisement of our peace was laid upon him; that by his stripes we are healed” (Isaiah 53:4-5). He redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us (Galatians 3:13). He was made a sin-offering, and He died in our place, on our account, that He might bring us near to God. It was this, doubtless, which caused His intense sufferings. It was the manifestation of God’s hatred of sin, in some way which He has not explained, that Jesus experienced in that terrible hour. It was suffering endured by Him that was due to us, and suffering by which, and by which alone, we can be saved from eternal death.

In those awful moments, Jesus was expressing His feelings of abandonment as God placed the sins of the world on Him – and because of that had to “turn away” from Jesus. As Jesus was feeling that weight of sin, He was experiencing separation from God for the only time in all of eternity. It was at this time that 2 Corinthians 5:21 occurred, “God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.” Jesus became sin for us, so He felt the loneliness and abandonment that sin always produces, except that in His case, it was not His sin – it was ours.


Galatians 4: 16, Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

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Re: "Why did Jesus say, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:20 pm

Do you believe that Jesus became lost when this occurred and that He was born again when that separation from God was over?



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Re: "Why did Jesus say, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Post by Ironman » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:46 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:Do you believe that Jesus became lost when this occurred and that He was born again when that separation from God was over?
Jesus words were not a cry of dispair for dispair would have been sin. The forsakenness did not break the eternal bond between the Father, the Word, now Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God could not cease to be Three seperate beings and "one" in unity in all things. It was the Father who delivered Him up to Judas, the Jews and Pilate and finally the cross. And now, at this time the Father had closed His ears. The crowd had not stopped jeering and abusing Christ, the demons had not stopped taunting Chist, the pain had not abated. It was at this time that no word came down from Heaven to remind Him that He was God's Son and was breatly loved, no angel came top strengthen Him, the Holy Spirit was not there to comfort Him, no sinners bowed to thank Him. Jesus at that time was sin (2 Cor 5:21), He was condemned to bear its curse, no one was there to serve as His advocate, He was to, He must bear it all, God could not spare Him untill the ransom was paid in full. His cry was the cry of innocence against unjust suffering. He lived His whole life conscience that He was the sin bearer and had to die an unbelieveably painfull death. Never before had anything come between Him and His Father but then the sins of the whole world had come between them. It was not that the Father was not there. The Father was there as the Judge of all the Earth who could condone nothing and could not spare even His own Son (Romans 8:32).
He died and then suddenly the sacrifice was complete, the curtain torn and the way into the holiest opened once and for all (Psalm 31: 5, Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.


Galatians 4: 16, Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

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Re: "Why did Jesus say, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:53 pm

Ironman wrote:It was the Father who delivered Him up...
  • John 19:11 King James Version
    • Jesus answered, "Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin."
Why do you believe that "It was the Father who delivered Him up"?

How could the Father have delivered Him up without sinning, according to John 19:11?

Did God the Father sin by delivering Him up?



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Re: "Why did Jesus say, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Post by branham1965 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:16 am

" Jehovah hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."Is 53:6 ASV

verse 10 " Yet it pleased Jehovah to bruise him;he hath put him to grief "
"God commendeth his love for us, in that ,while we were yet sinners Christ died for us." Romans 5:8 KJV

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Ironman wrote:It was the Father who delivered Him up...
  • John 19:11 King James Version
    • Jesus answered, "Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin."
Why do you believe that "It was the Father who delivered Him up"?

How could the Father have delivered Him up without sinning, according to John 19:11?

Did God the Father sin by delivering Him up?



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Re: "Why did Jesus say, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Post by branham1965 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:28 am

Praise the Lord. :angel:
Ironman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:Do you believe that Jesus became lost when this occurred and that He was born again when that separation from God was over?
Jesus words were not a cry of dispair for dispair would have been sin. The forsakenness did not break the eternal bond between the Father, the Word, now Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God could not cease to be Three seperate beings and "one" in unity in all things. It was the Father who delivered Him up to Judas, the Jews and Pilate and finally the cross. And now, at this time the Father had closed His ears. The crowd had not stopped jeering and abusing Christ, the demons had not stopped taunting Chist, the pain had not abated. It was at this time that no word came down from Heaven to remind Him that He was God's Son and was breatly loved, no angel came top strengthen Him, the Holy Spirit was not there to comfort Him, no sinners bowed to thank Him. Jesus at that time was sin (2 Cor 5:21), He was condemned to bear its curse, no one was there to serve as His advocate, He was to, He must bear it all, God could not spare Him untill the ransom was paid in full. His cry was the cry of innocence against unjust suffering. He lived His whole life conscience that He was the sin bearer and had to die an unbelieveably painfull death. Never before had anything come between Him and His Father but then the sins of the whole world had come between them. It was not that the Father was not there. The Father was there as the Judge of all the Earth who could condone nothing and could not spare even His own Son (Romans 8:32).
He died and then suddenly the sacrifice was complete, the curtain torn and the way into the holiest opened once and for all (Psalm 31: 5, Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.



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Re: "Why did Jesus say, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Post by macca » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:20 am

Great post Harry..... :angel: :angel: :angel:


For ALL the promises of God in Him are YES, and in Him AMEN, unto the glory of God by us.

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Re: "Why did Jesus say, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Post by luchnia » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:48 am

Ironman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:Do you believe that Jesus became lost when this occurred and that He was born again when that separation from God was over?
Never before had anything come between Him and His Father but then the sins of the whole world had come between them. It was not that the Father was not there. The Father was there as the Judge of all the Earth who could condone nothing and could not spare even His own Son (Romans 8:32).
I disagree with this point of view and the assumptions made about this. This concept, like the subject of sin, is very one-sided and does not take in the whole of chapter 8 of Romans, or the whole of the Word on this subject. It takes a level of balance between Romans chapter 8 and Jn chapter 10 among a number of other scriptures to see the heart of the matter.

Either Jesus had the authority or He didn't. Which is it? Did the Father deliver Him up, or did Jesus lay His own life down to bear the sins and sicknesses of mankind? The Father commanded the authority be Jesus'. How, and in what sense, did the Father deliver up Jesus? What strikes the balance?


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Re: "Why did Jesus say, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Post by branham1965 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:43 pm

LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR ROMANS 3:4

THE WORD OF GOD SAYS :

GOD SO LOVED HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON... JOHN 3:16


THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON IS IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER JOHN 1:18

JESUS CALLED JEHOVAH HIS OWN FATHER JOHN 5:18

JESUS CAME FORTH FROM GOD JOHN 5

THE FATHER WAS GREATER THAN JESUS THE SON JOHN 14:28

ALL AUTHORITY WAS GIVEN TO JESUS MATTHEW 28.

GOD HATH HIGHLY EXALTED HIM...PHILIPPIANS 2

PSALMS 2 JEHOVAH SAID UNTO ME THOU ART MY SON TODAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE.

THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD. 1 CORINTHIANS 11:3

JESUS SHALL DELIVER THE KINGDOM TO GOD THE FATHER 1 COR 15:24


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Re: "Why did Jesus say, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Post by luchnia » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:12 pm

branham1965 wrote:LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR ROMANS 3:4

THE WORD OF GOD SAYS :

GOD SO LOVED HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON... JOHN 3:16


THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON IS IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER JOHN 1:18

JESUS CALLED JEHOVAH HIS OWN FATHER JOHN 5:18

JESUS CAME FORTH FROM GOD JOHN 5

THE FATHER WAS GREATER THAN JESUS THE SON JOHN 14:28

ALL AUTHORITY WAS GIVEN TO JESUS MATTHEW 28.

GOD HATH HIGHLY EXALTED HIM...PHILIPPIANS 2

PSALMS 2 JEHOVAH SAID UNTO ME THOU ART MY SON TODAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE.

THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD. 1 CORINTHIANS 11:3

JESUS SHALL DELIVER THE KINGDOM TO GOD THE FATHER 1 COR 15:24


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That perfectly proves my point!


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