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You are denying reality.

People in Churches hurt other people.

Google abusive churches and spiritual abuse.

The idea that people are perfect in the Church is ridiculous.

Why don't you address why Reverend Kenneth E.Hagin affirms that bad things go on sometimes in Church???


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branham1965 wrote:I wish nothing but the very best for every person on here.

And i agree with Haz above.
I wish the best for you too Billy!

Remember this is a discussion board and people sometimes have different views.

And if you want to disagree with me that is OK.

BUT I think you are wrong about Haz because he said: "Never once said or alluded that the church of Jesus Christ abuses anyone?"

So he does not believe in an abusive church of Jesus Christ either.



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Haz,

my friend

i am not opposing you on here.

You are my best friend here .

i said google spiritual abuse ,churches that abuse and so on.

" The truth has nothing to fear from an open investigation " my good friend and Minister Lewis Willis told me that.



Denying that this exists is to me a crime.Especially for the Clergy.

I am adamant about this subject because i went through it more than once.
Ironman wrote:
bibleman wrote:
branham1965 wrote:WHY in around 10 years Scottae316 does it always go to this??

All members please go to

Google
Spiritual abuse or Church abuse

scottae316 wrote:
bibleman wrote:
Ironman wrote:
bibleman wrote:
I understand...

But you should not be using the word Church!

Because the Church is the body of Christ.

And the body of Christ has never abused anybody.
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Now your being politicly correct. Were talking about the Catholic CHURCH. Who I know from personal experience abuse people. The wwcog, who I have seen regularly abuse people and so it goes.

The World wide CHURCH of God.

The MORMON church.

The CHURCH of the latter day saints, to name a few.

We never named them, they named themselves and call themselves a church, their church.

So, when we speak of them publicly or on a forum what should we say?

The Catholic Hmmmmmumble?

The Mormon Hmmmmmmumble?

The Hmmmmmmmmumble of the latter day saints?
NOT politically correct but BIBLE correct. What is the Church according to the Bible?

Are you saying that Jesus has failed and that the gates of HELL has prevailed against HIS Church?
Well according to you the Church is a building. The rest of us are in line with Scripture that says the Church is made up of true believers, not a building, denomination, or particular location. Against the true Church, the gates of hell will not prevail. Biblically, the Church consists of those who trust and believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior not a building or a group meeting in a building.

Why should we go to Google?

What does it matter what google says? The Bible says: "let God be true, but every man a liar;" Romans 3:4

AND the Bible says the church is a "a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." Ephesians 5:27

AND "I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Matthew 16:18

So if you want to believe Google OVER JESUS... then that is your problem. This is a Bible Discussion Board and we should not lead people astray to sources such as Google - but point people to God's Word!

Why not be obedient and believe and confess the Word of God. Get your mind renewed to the Word of God.
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I dont believe google over Jesus. I was refering to Mystery Babylon the mother of Harlots and all her offshoots, dont you see that in my posts?

Im not referring to this church,

If your not a member of this church, your in the wrong
one, according to Scripture, its that simple. Paul never taught Jesus +
some church brings salvation, Paul never taught Jesus + certain
sacraments brings salvation, Paul never taught Jesus plus
legalism brings salvation, Paul never taught Jesus + purgatory brings
salvation, Paul never taught circumcision brings salvation, Paul taught
only Jesus + nothing else brings salvation.

We cannot do anything, or add anything to all Jesus, the Father and
the Holy Spirit did to save mankind.

All we need do is believe in Him and in Him who sent Him.

Galatians 1: 6, I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called
you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7, Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you,
and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8, But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other
gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9, As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach
any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

10, For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to
please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

11, But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was
preached of me is not after man.

12, For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught
it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

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Jesus Christs church is not a building or a particular religious group with
some special name? The new Testament Church, of which Jesus Christ is the
head is a called out body of people of all nations who have been born again and
who have lived a true Christian life and died in the faith. It also includes
all those who are alive in Christ today. This present church is called the
"ekklesia" of the New Testament times, called out of this world to
evangelize the world in this age.

The church, in its largest signification is the whole company of redeemed in
all ages, in Heaven and in Earth (Eph. 3:1-11; Heb. 12:23). It is the spiritual
people who have been made members of the universial family of God. The church
in this sense is the body of Christ, and it does not consist of saved and
unsaved. It is not a group of individuals associated together for social and
benevolent purposes, as seems to be on every hand in most worldly church
gatherings. It is the body of people indwelt by God through the Holy Spirit and
through whom God works in the world.

The church is a supernatural body of believers filled with the presence and
power of God as individuals conform to the gospel of Christ. The church is like
a family in its social life, yet is unlike a family in its formation. Each
local church is a part of the universal church in the broad sense.
However there are many in local churches that do not belong to the body of
Christ, and therefore they are not a true part of the universal church of the
New Testament.
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Re: It is Sunday - Be a REAL Christian and go to Church!

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branham1965 wrote:You are denying reality.

People in Churches hurt other people.

Google abusive churches and spiritual abuse.

The idea that people are perfect in the Church is ridiculous.

Why don't you address why Reverend Kenneth E.Hagin affirms that bad things go on sometimes in Church???


bibleman wrote:
branham1965 wrote:I wish nothing but the very best for every person on here.

And i agree with Haz above.
I wish the best for you too Billy!

Remember this is a discussion board and people sometimes have different views.

And if you want to disagree with me that is OK.

BUT I think you are wrong about Haz because he said: "Never once said or alluded that the church of Jesus Christ abuses anyone?"

So he does not believe in an abusive church of Jesus Christ either.

Billy,

The fact that you accept Google over Gods' Word does not change anything.

We should support the Church that Jesus built!

If you don't want to do that then you will have to answer to God for it, but as for me I am on Jesus's side and I love the Church that HE Built!


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bibleman,

Any particular reason for singling out Sunday if by Sunday you mean the 1st day of the week?



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rstrats wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:15 am
bibleman,

Any particular reason for singling out Sunday if by Sunday you mean the 1st day of the week?
Well mainly because it is when MOST Christian churches meet in America.


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According to Holy Scripture and Tradition the Church met on Sunday.



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bibleman,
re: "Well mainly because it is when MOST Christian churches meet in America."

OK, just so it's understood that scripture is silent with regard to anyone meeting on the 1st days of the week for the purpose of rest and worship.



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branham1965,
re: "According to Holy Scripture and Tradition the Church met on Sunday."

Actually, as far as scripture is concerned, there are only two times mentioned with regard to anybody getting together on the first (day) of the week - John 20:19 and Acts 20:7. There is never any mention of them ever again being together on the first. The John reference has them together in a closed room after the crucifixion because they were afraid of their fellow Jews. Nothing is said about a worship service or day of rest. And it couldn't have been in recognition of the resurrection because at that time they didn't even believe that the resurrection had taken place.

The Acts reference might very well have them together to break bread with Paul because he happened to be in town and wanted to talk to them before he had to leave again. The "breaking of bread" in the verse can simply be saying that the disciples got together to eat a meal on this particular first day of the week . The phrase, "to break bread", does not have to refer to a religious service - unless it is specifically stated - but to dividing loaves of bread for a meal. "It means to partake of food and is used of eating as in a meal...... The readers [of the original New Testament letters and manuscripts] could have had no other idea or meaning in their minds" (E.W.Bullinger, Figures of Speech Used in the Bible, pp. 839,840.

But even if the breaking of bread mentioned always did refer to the Lord’s Supper, it had nothing to do with placing a special emphasis on the first (day) because Acts 2:46 says that they broke bread every day.



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You are incorrect.

The Early Fathers taught that believers met on Sunday.

As far as Mr.Bullinger He taught that Christ died on a stake not a Cross.



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It says they met on the first day of the week the Lords Day.

rstrats wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:31 pm
bibleman,
re: "Well mainly because it is when MOST Christian churches meet in America."

OK, just so it's understood that scripture is silent with regard to anyone meeting on the 1st days of the week for the purpose of rest and worship.



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