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For $2,200 Jim Bakker can save you.

Post by Ironman » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:57 pm

'The apocalypse is coming!' Disgraced televangelist Jim Bakker, 78, now encouraging viewers to prepare for the end of the world by buying his survival products - including 7 years of food for $2,200
Televangelist Jim Bakker claims that the end is near, and it is important to stock up on food and other necessities
Jim and second wife Lori Bakker, sell products from their 'Morningside Ministry' near Branson, Missouri
Jim famously fell from grace after a sex scandal led to his ouster from his PTL Ministry
He served nearly 5 years in prison for defrauding his followers to pay for his lavish lifestyle
He now broadcasts from the Ozarks and believes the apocaplyse is near.

Televangelist Jim Bakker knows the end is near. But he's got just what you need to survive the apocalypse, and he will gladly send it to you - for a price.
Jim, 78, his white hair cropped closely, and white beard neatly trimmed, speaks to viewers every day on The Jim Bakker show, broadcast from the Ozark Mountains near Branson, Missouri.
His co-host is his second wife Lori Graham Bakker. The show's website describes it as '...an hour-long daily broadcast featuring prophetic and Biblical revelations brought to light in today's world. In these end times God is providing answers and wisdom to be revealed at just the right time. And the time is now!'

Jim believes that recent events like Hurricane Harvey Irma and Maria are signs that we are coming to the end. He often tells viewers 'we are in the final days'. And on the show, and the show's website, he touts the importance of being prepared.
And being prepared means having a generator package ($4,100), seven years of food for $2,200, the When Nature Calls offer ($100) which includes a bucket with a toilet seat and six rolls of tissue, and a fruit bundle with a 20-year shelf life ($450).
There are also shovels, solar powered flashlights, and everything you might need on his website.
Jim himself has first-hand knowledge of the world coming to an end.

In the 1980s he and his first wife built a ministry called PTL (Praise The Lord). His wife, Tammy Faye Bakker was known not as much for her faith, but how much makeup she wore.
On the PTL show the pair hosted together, Tammy Faye was often brought to tears, which made her dark mascara flow down her face.
The PTL Ministry, funded by contributions, also built a Christian theme park, Heritage USA, in Fort Mills South Carolina. The park sat on 2,300 acres, had a water slide, and was the third most visited theme park in the US in 1986 behind Walt Disney World and Disneyland.
During those heady years, it turns out that PTL was also serving as a personal fund for the Bakkers. According to the Charlotte Observer, the couple bought more than $900,000 worth of cars between 1983 and 1986, along with real estate - including two homes in Palm Springs, CA.
In 1986, PTL paid Jim $265,000 in salary and $810,000 in bonuses. Tammy's compensation that year: $90,000 in salary and $270,000 in bonuses.

The following year, Jim resigned the PTL Ministry. A sex scandal was about to be exposed by his 'treacherous friends' who the Observer reports 'conspired to betray me'. The sex scandal was a 1980 tryst with then church secretary Jessica Hahn.
Jim was prosecuted for fraud and conspiracy in 1989. He served nearly five years in prison, and while he was incarcerated, Tammy Faye divorced him to marry the man who built Heritage USA, Roe Messner. Tammy Faye Messner died in 2007 of cancer.
Now Jim is back at the television ministry. No longer preaching prosperity, instead he's talking doom, and selling everything you'd need for Armageddon.
He has launched the Morningside Church, near Branson Missouri, which some say looks like a smaller version of Heritage USA. He also has The Jim Bakker Show, and also the PTL Network.
Jim is careful though, in this second incarnation, to avoid the appearance of inpropriety.
When he offers his survivalist fare, he is quick to point out that a purchase is a 'donation'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -gear.html


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Re: For $2,200 Jim Bakker can save you.

Post by branham1965 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:12 pm

What do you think of this Haz ??



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Post by Ironman » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:52 pm

branham1965 wrote:What do you think of this Haz ??
G-day billy, Just another money spinner for a failed representative of God. Fear sells. It is sad to see those who allegedly represent Christianity peddle hope and salvation in this world on total self reliance.

True followers of Christ will not be worried about Armageddon.

Rev 16:16, And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Rev. 16:21, And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Rev. 17:1-2, And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2, With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

A survival kit will not do anyone any good during this time?


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Re: For $2,200 Jim Bakker can save you.

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:58 pm

Sounds like he's Post-Trib and, perhaps, Post-Wrath...

But I don't have any idea what he believes.


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"And I say unto you my friends, be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into Hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear Him."

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Re: For $2,200 Jim Bakker can save you.

Post by Ironman » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:17 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:Sounds like he's Post-Trib and, perhaps, Post-Wrath...

But I don't have any idea what he believes.
He believes in making lots of money, having affaires with other women and divorce, all the while pretending to be a preacher of God's Word.


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Re: For $2,200 Jim Bakker can save you.

Post by branham1965 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:15 pm

What is Post Wrath??? +ummm


Ironman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:Sounds like he's Post-Trib and, perhaps, Post-Wrath...

But I don't have any idea what he believes.
He believes in making lots of money, having affaires with other women and divorce, all the while pretending to be a preacher of God's Word.



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Re: For $2,200 Jim Bakker can save you.

Post by luchnia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:13 am

What will those say that believe he is a great man of God and you should never take this stance against him? All of the great men of God make mistakes, right?

Look at the PTL ministries, the evangelism, the charities, TV outreach, and how great that was. Compared to may great men of God mentioned on this forum, Bakker has superseded them many times over. Look at the "untold millions" saved through them.

This makes for quite the dilemma for many believers doesn't it?


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Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:00 pm

An eschatalogical position held by someone who is ignorant of what the Bible teaches.
branham1965 wrote:What is Post Wrath??? +ummm


Ironman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:Sounds like he's Post-Trib and, perhaps, Post-Wrath...

But I don't have any idea what he believes.
He believes in making lots of money, having affaires with other women and divorce, all the while pretending to be a preacher of God's Word.


Luke 12:4‭-‬5 King James Version
"And I say unto you my friends, be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into Hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear Him."

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Re: For $2,200 Jim Bakker can save you.

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:01 pm

luchnia wrote:What will those say that believe he is a great man of God and you should never take this stance against him? All of the great men of God make mistakes, right?

Look at the PTL ministries, the evangelism, the charities, TV outreach, and how great that was. Compared to may great men of God mentioned on this forum, Bakker has superseded them many times over. Look at the "untold millions" saved through them.

This makes for quite the dilemma for many believers doesn't it?
Excellent point.


Luke 12:4‭-‬5 King James Version
"And I say unto you my friends, be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into Hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear Him."

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Re: For $2,200 Jim Bakker can save you.

Post by scottae316 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:09 am

As most of you know I believe that everyone is entitled to their opinions (within certain boundaries and norms). While I may not agree with a brother/sister who believes in infant baptism (using a recent example) I would say they are entitled to their position. However, when any minister, teacher, or prophet uses scare tactics to raise money, for me that is a huge problem.

Should we as Christians be prepared for disaster, yes I think it would be prudent. Having some emergency supplies on hand makes sense. With natural disasters, the possibility of terrorist acts and so forth. What Bakker is advocating for, well it raises my eye brow and suggests we use caution.



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