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Re: Tradition in the Church

Postby Ironman » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:09 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Ironman wrote:
"You CANNOT give me scriptures that say 1/3 of the angels fell in the pre-Adamite dispensation OTHER THAN TAKING A, CLEARLY FUTURE EVENT IN REV. 12, and applying it to a completely separate dispensation."


Sorry your wrong. [because of these] Notes from Dakes Annotated Bible.

    10. Lucifer, the original ruler of the planet earth conceives an idea that he can obtain cooperation of other angelic beings, dethrone God, and become the exalted supreme ruler of the universe himself (Isa. 14: 12-14; Ez. 28:11-17; 1 Tim. 3:6).

    11. Lucifer carries out his plans, falls through pride, and slanders the Almighty, causing his own subjects and over one third of God's angels (Rev. 12:7-12) to rebel against Him. The earth enters its first sinful career (Isa. 14:12-14; Ez. 28: 11-17; 1 Tim. 3:6). Length of the uprising is unknown.

    12.Lucifer openly breaks relations with God and His government, leading his rebels from the appointed place of mobilization on earth into heaven in his attempt to dethrone God. He is met by Michael and the faithful angels and is defeated, being cast as lightning back to the earth (Isa. 14:12-14; Ez. 28:11-17; Lk. 10:18).


I think Dake has a great line of thought on this subject. However, I do agree with Jay that Revelation 12 is future.

So, saying that these notes prove Jay wrong doesn't help because these notes do not explain why Dake's position that Revelation 12:7-12 can apply to rebellion of the angels before Adam was created.

Sure Dake says that it applies, but why did he think that it applies?

Please, prove with clear, in context, scripture from the Bible that Revelation 12:7-12 can apply to a time before Adam.


This is what I said;

The third part of the stars mentioned here in Rev. 12:4 is symbolic of the third of God's angels that rebelled with Lucifer in the pre-Adamite rebellion, and is showing how many will be with Him in the future war in Heaven under the seventh trumpet (v4. 7-12).

All these angels fell with Lucifer when he tried to knock God of His throne during his rule of the pre-Adamite Earth


Have I become your enemy, because I tell you the truth.

I'll be a fool for truth's sake. Truth is fallen in the street. I wont pass it by. I'll pick it up and embrace it regardless of the costs.

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Re: Tradition in the Church

Postby branham1965 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:15 pm

:angel: :angel: Your posts on this make the most sense.



Ironman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Ironman wrote:
"You CANNOT give me scriptures that say 1/3 of the angels fell in the pre-Adamite dispensation OTHER THAN TAKING A, CLEARLY FUTURE EVENT IN REV. 12, and applying it to a completely separate dispensation."


Sorry your wrong. [because of these] Notes from Dakes Annotated Bible.

    10. Lucifer, the original ruler of the planet earth conceives an idea that he can obtain cooperation of other angelic beings, dethrone God, and become the exalted supreme ruler of the universe himself (Isa. 14: 12-14; Ez. 28:11-17; 1 Tim. 3:6).

    11. Lucifer carries out his plans, falls through pride, and slanders the Almighty, causing his own subjects and over one third of God's angels (Rev. 12:7-12) to rebel against Him. The earth enters its first sinful career (Isa. 14:12-14; Ez. 28: 11-17; 1 Tim. 3:6). Length of the uprising is unknown.

    12.Lucifer openly breaks relations with God and His government, leading his rebels from the appointed place of mobilization on earth into heaven in his attempt to dethrone God. He is met by Michael and the faithful angels and is defeated, being cast as lightning back to the earth (Isa. 14:12-14; Ez. 28:11-17; Lk. 10:18).


I think Dake has a great line of thought on this subject. However, I do agree with Jay that Revelation 12 is future.

So, saying that these notes prove Jay wrong doesn't help because these notes do not explain why Dake's position that Revelation 12:7-12 can apply to rebellion of the angels before Adam was created.

Sure Dake says that it applies, but why did he think that it applies?

Please, prove with clear, in context, scripture from the Bible that Revelation 12:7-12 can apply to a time before Adam.


This is what I said;

The third part of the stars mentioned here in Rev. 12:4 is symbolic of the third of God's angels that rebelled with Lucifer in the pre-Adamite rebellion, and is showing how many will be with Him in the future war in Heaven under the seventh trumpet (v4. 7-12).

All these angels fell with Lucifer when he tried to knock God of His throne during his rule of the pre-Adamite Earth



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Re: Tradition in the Church

Postby Ironman » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:34 pm

"Criticism from the angle of finding mistakes with supporting evidence can be a good thing for growth if one uses it wisely."


The Pharisees were into that in a big way :lol!: :lol!: :lol!:


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Re: Tradition in the Church

Postby luchnia » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:54 pm

Ironman wrote:
"Criticism from the angle of finding mistakes with supporting evidence can be a good thing for growth if one uses it wisely."


The Pharisees were into that in a big way :lol!: :lol!: :lol!:

Yep, difference is they were mote hunting and not like Jesus and Paul and many other men of God that critiqued with God's word. One can find good if they so choose. :angel:


Word up!

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Re: Tradition in the Church

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:55 pm

luchnia wrote:
Ironman wrote:
"Criticism from the angle of finding mistakes with supporting evidence can be a good thing for growth if one uses it wisely."


The Pharisees were into that in a big way :lol!: :lol!: :lol!:

Yep, difference is they were mote hunting and not like Jesus and Paul and many other men of God that critiqued with God's word. One can find good if they so choose. :angel:

If I recall correctly, Jesus pointed out some flaws, too.

+see


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      Sanctify the Lord of Hosts Himself; and let Him be your fear, and let Him be your dread.

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Re: Tradition in the Church

Postby branham1965 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:58 pm

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST DID NOT DO WHAT GOES ON WITH SOME RELIGIOUS FOLKS.

HE LOVED PEOPLE AND MINISTERED

LIFE TO THE PEOPLE.



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Re: Tradition in the Church

Postby luchnia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:47 am

branham1965 wrote:THE LORD JESUS CHRIST DID NOT DO WHAT GOES ON WITH SOME RELIGIOUS FOLKS.

Agreed. He sure did not do what goes on with some religious folks, especially in these days and times. He critiqued in true righteousness.


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Re: Tradition in the Church

Postby branham1965 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:55 pm

:angel:

luchnia wrote:
branham1965 wrote:THE LORD JESUS CHRIST DID NOT DO WHAT GOES ON WITH SOME RELIGIOUS FOLKS.

Agreed. He sure did not do what goes on with some religious folks, especially in these days and times. He critiqued in true righteousness.




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