luchnia wrote:I tend to lean with the verse in question being Lucifer's fall, but the wording certainly is not direct on the matter and if we only take this at literal face value, we simply don't have that written here. Verses like this show me one thing, we are not clear about many things, and 1/3 of the angels has the same uncertainty. So much of what we learn is subjective in that it cannot be perceived concretely.
In many cases I think that is the point we are supposed to arrive at.
I totally agree and that was my point in posting from Deuteronomy:
Deuteronomy 29:29 (KJV)
29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
It is okay to speculate but we shouldn't consider our speculation and conjecture to be GOSPEL!
I have some thoughts about the rapture that I will share on here one of these days if I haven't already. I won't dogmatically say it is absolutely scriptural but it may be. It is sure something for people to think about and I've never heard anyone else teach it. Was it revelation from the Lord? I don't know.
Brother Hagin was a "STICKLER" for the Word of God. I can't say I got that from him since I was that way before I ever went to Rhema but I sure concur with him that doctrine MUST BE ESTABLISHED BY THE WORD OF GOD ALONE. And it MUST be established with MORE THAN ONE SCRIPTURE.
When I was 18, my 21 year old brother was dying from cancer. It caused me to search the scriptures for any kind of hope. That is when I ran across this passage of scripture:
James 5:14-15 (KJV)
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
There was the hope we were looking for! I immediately called our Baptist pastor and read this passage to him. Then I asked if he would get the church deacons together to come and pray for my brother. After a long pause, he replied, "Well,,,we don't believe that."
I realized right then that if you don't believe the book you claim to live by, THROW IT AWAY!!!
There are MANY things that have not been revealed to us. Some things have been revealed in part and some things have been revealed to a great level. The Bible is our "Manufacturer's handbook." I believe, that as we live forever with the Lord that we will forever be learning more about Him and about ALL things. How could we ever know everything about our God and His creation?