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Re: The gospel verses the truth - Acts 16

Post by luchnia » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:09 pm

branham1965 wrote:SHE WAS A DEMON POSSESSED GIRL .SHE WAS NOT A GOSPEL PREACHER.

THE DEVILS SPOKE THROUGH HER LIKE THEY DID WHEN THEY SAW JESUS CHRIST WHO WAS GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH.

THEY KNEW WHO JESUS WAS.AND THEY KNEW WHO PAUL WAS.

YOU NEED TO READ AND LISTEN TO DAD HAGIN AND LESTER SUMRALL TO LEARN ABOUT DEMONOLOGY.
I disagree with you and agree with God's word on this. The diviner was proclaiming the truth about the men of God just as it is written of her. No need to add or subtract from it. She did this for many days just as it is written or it is a lie.

I am primarily concerned in what God's word has to show about the matter. I don't need to read or listen to Hagin or Sumrall to learn about demonology. As a matter of fact, I would not listen to either of them on this subject when I can go straight to the source - the Word of God by the Spirit of God.

I am able to read God's word on my own where the truth is recorded for me and, of course, all men to see. God's word is the one stop shop for truth by the Spirit of Truth. You have the right to believe whatever you wish and listen to whomever you want about demonology. My recommendation is God's word.


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Re: The gospel verses the truth - Acts 16

Post by branham1965 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:20 pm

I listened to Fundamental Baptist Dr.Peter S.Ruckman awhile.I found him a interesting fellow.He was a drill instructor and had an interesting testimony.

When i heard him teach on the Holy Spirit and Tongues i quit listening to him.


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reverend dake would never go for this
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Re: The gospel verses the truth - Acts 16

Post by Ironman » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:21 pm

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branham1965 wrote:That is what was operating through that poor exploited girl in Acts 16.Real demon powers.

SHE WAS NOT A GOSPEL PREACHER!!! I never heard anything so bizarre.


The devil knew who Christ was.And he knew and knows who believers are.He knew Paul was for real.The greatest apostle.
Why couldn't a demon preach the Gospel, when it is to its own benefit?

Plenty of unsaved preachers have preached the Gospel. And, demons and devils enjoy possessing and inpiring such ministers in order to further their own goals.
Like I said before, they preach PARTS OF THE GOSPEL purely for their own benefit. And what is that benefit?

To get believers to follow them further so they can lead them away from God.

No demon preaches the gospel to lead people to salvation, even a Christian idiot would know this much.


Galatians 4: 16, Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

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Re: The gospel verses the truth - Acts 16

Post by Ironman » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:27 pm

Has anyone read this?

Demons wage war on saints to install within them false concepts about God and to make them weak, nervous, discouraged, and ruined spiritually, physically, and materially. They will do anything, including imitating the dead, they will use anything and anyone, including false preachers to achieve their goal. They control the law of sin and death, they must be resisted at all cost.

Even though Satan and demons know the Word of God better than any man today, they will never ever preach the true Word of God or promote God and His gospel to mankind in any way that draws men to God. They use preachers who insert snippets of truth between paragraphs of lies. The best way to promote lies is between two truths, and we all know lies repeated often enough will eventually be believed by some if not many.
They, and anyone they use, must be resisted totally and forever. Promoting people like this is only furthering the work of Satan.

Mark 3:26, And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

I don't care who the demon is, was, or could have been, or even who he was with, be it Paul, Peter, Matthew, or any of the disciples, no demons work to draw people to God or God's Word.

Here's all the good this demon worked;

Acts 16:18-23l

18, And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.
19, And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers,
20, And brought them to the magistrates, saying, These men, being Jews, do exceedingly trouble our city,
21, And teach customs, which are not lawful for us to receive, neither to observe, being Romans.
22, And the multitude rose up together against them: and the magistrates rent off their clothes, and commanded to beat them.
23, And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailor to keep them safely:

I'm sure Paul and Silus did not enjoy their little stint in prison and the flogging they got. To believe that evil demon spirit was working for the good of the Word of God is complete rubbish.


Galatians 4: 16, Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

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Re: The gospel verses the truth - Acts 16

Post by branham1965 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:35 pm

I agree with you mate. :angel: :angel:
Ironman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
branham1965 wrote:That is what was operating through that poor exploited girl in Acts 16.Real demon powers.

SHE WAS NOT A GOSPEL PREACHER!!! I never heard anything so bizarre.


The devil knew who Christ was.And he knew and knows who believers are.He knew Paul was for real.The greatest apostle.
Why couldn't a demon preach the Gospel, when it is to its own benefit?

Plenty of unsaved preachers have preached the Gospel. And, demons and devils enjoy possessing and inpiring such ministers in order to further their own goals.
Like I said before, they preach PARTS OF THE GOSPEL purely for their own benefit. And what is that benefit?

To get believers to follow them further so they can lead them away from God.

No demon preaches the gospel to lead people to salvation, even a Christian idiot would know this much.



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Re: The gospel verses the truth - Acts 16

Post by Ironman » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:45 pm

Demons are actively involved in the world’s system to promote rebellion against God. Demons work in individuals. According to Ephesians 2:1-2, people who are under the power of sin and disobedience are held captive to the work of Satan, whom demons serve to carry out his evil purposes. Demons cause men to be entrapped to the satanic philosophy of lawlessness. Fallen angels promote the satisfaction of fleshly desires, sensual pleasures, pride, hatred, and materialism, all of which characterize the world system influenced by Satan (John 16:11, 1 John 2:16). In other words, demons entice people to walk in sin and to be enslaved in those passions so as to resist the grace of God (1 Timothy 4:1-8). The most heinous of these sinful patterns is rebellion against God, which 1 Samuel 15:23 equates with the sin of witchcraft.

Demons distort people’s philosophies. Demons encourage all thought patterns and false religions which are intended to keep unbelievers from the saving knowledge of the gospel.

The most dangerous of demonic influence is that they cause people to reject the saving grace of God. Because demons are incapable of repentance or of saving themselves, they do not understand grace, nor do they want men to understand or see their need for it.

That is why their primary task is to influence people to think lightly or negatively of God’s grace and to twist Scriptures teaching on God's saving grace, distracting men to lies instead. Demons work to create divisions in the body, and promoting anything they do, be it from God's Word or not, is doing just that among us.


Galatians 4: 16, Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

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Re: The gospel verses the truth - Acts 16

Post by branham1965 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:08 pm

:angel: :angel: Thank you for that my friend.






Ironman wrote:Demons are actively involved in the world’s system to promote rebellion against God. Demons work in individuals. According to Ephesians 2:1-2, people who are under the power of sin and disobedience are held captive to the work of Satan, whom demons serve to carry out his evil purposes. Demons cause men to be entrapped to the satanic philosophy of lawlessness. Fallen angels promote the satisfaction of fleshly desires, sensual pleasures, pride, hatred, and materialism, all of which characterize the world system influenced by Satan (John 16:11, 1 John 2:16). In other words, demons entice people to walk in sin and to be enslaved in those passions so as to resist the grace of God (1 Timothy 4:1-8). The most heinous of these sinful patterns is rebellion against God, which 1 Samuel 15:23 equates with the sin of witchcraft.

Demons distort people’s philosophies. Demons encourage all thought patterns and false religions which are intended to keep unbelievers from the saving knowledge of the gospel.

The most dangerous of demonic influence is that they cause people to reject the saving grace of God. Because demons are incapable of repentance or of saving themselves, they do not understand grace, nor do they want men to understand or see their need for it.

That is why their primary task is to influence people to think lightly or negatively of God’s grace and to twist Scriptures teaching on God's saving grace, distracting men to lies instead. Demons work to create divisions in the body, and promoting anything they do, be it from God's Word or not, is doing just that among us.



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Re: The gospel verses the truth - Acts 16

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:28 am

branham1965 wrote:I listened to Fundamental Baptist Dr.Peter S.Ruckman awhile.I found him a interesting fellow.He was a drill instructor and had an interesting testimony.

When i heard him teach on the Holy Spirit and Tongues i quit listening to him.
I don't understand why you would have ever started listening to Ruckman if you were going to be that offended when he taught the standard, classic cessationist Baptist position concerning tongues and the Holy Ghost?

How is Ruckman's position on that any different than Larkin's or Scofield's?


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Re: The gospel verses the truth - Acts 16

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:30 am

Ironman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
branham1965 wrote:That is what was operating through that poor exploited girl in Acts 16.Real demon powers.

SHE WAS NOT A GOSPEL PREACHER!!! I never heard anything so bizarre.


The devil knew who Christ was.And he knew and knows who believers are.He knew Paul was for real.The greatest apostle.
Why couldn't a demon preach the Gospel, when it is to its own benefit?

Plenty of unsaved preachers have preached the Gospel. And, demons and devils enjoy possessing and inpiring such ministers in order to further their own goals.
Like I said before, they preach PARTS OF THE GOSPEL purely for their own benefit. And what is that benefit?

To get believers to follow them further so they can lead them away from God.

No demon preaches the gospel to lead people to salvation, even a Christian idiot would know this much.
Agreed. One of the greatest tactics is likely in convincing people that they are saved when they are not.


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Re: The gospel verses the truth - Acts 16

Post by branham1965 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:45 am

When i heard Dr.Ruckman talk about the Holy Spirit and Tongues i cringed inside.

I was afraid hearing it.

So i left off listening to him.


As for Rev.Larkin i have never owned anything of his.I do not dislike him.I know very little about him.

I do have a Scofield Bible and his book on Rightly Dividing the Word.








Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
branham1965 wrote:I listened to Fundamental Baptist Dr.Peter S.Ruckman awhile.I found him a interesting fellow.He was a drill instructor and had an interesting testimony.

When i heard him teach on the Holy Spirit and Tongues i quit listening to him.
I don't understand why you would have ever started listening to Ruckman if you were going to be that offended when he taught the standard, classic cessationist Baptist position concerning tongues and the Holy Ghost?

How is Ruckman's position on that any different than Larkin's or Scofield's?



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