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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:22 pm

branham1965 wrote:THIS IS ABOUT THE MASS GENOCIDE OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE!!!!

We could not use enough nasty words to describe the sick horrors that the Nazi's used on the Jewish people in Hitler's Germany.



The Nazis wanted to destroy ,to eliminate,to eradicate


to annihilate the Jews from Europe. :agrue:


It was Genocide .

While I agree that the were atrocities committed by the Nazis that were beyond comprehension, I will also say that the allies were in no way innocent, either.

I have read and watched video concerning the horrors brought to bear by Allied bombings of civilian centers that had no military or strategic value. White phosphorous is a damnable thing to drop on civilians. Furthermore, the war cut supply lines to the labor camps, allowing disease to run rampant, increasing the death rate far beyond what it would have been.

Also, please remember that the USA considered joining with Germany during World War Two. If the USA had joined the Nazis, the Final Solution may never have been considered.

And, remember, it was the Jews that declared war on Germany before any of them were ever taken to a labor camp. They declared beforehand that six million of them would die.

And, one other point... Do not forget that at one point the Jews were allied with National Socialism. Coins were even printed with the Nazi Swastika on one side and the (so-called) Star of David on the other side.

Also, I don't believe that the Germans decided on genocide from the beginning. I think it was a last resort. But, the real question is why did Germany consider the Jews such a threat that they needed to round them up and put them in labor camps to begin with? The history of the Jews being kicked out of over 100 countries since the time of Christ proves that practically every country they ever lived in viewed them as anathema.

Sometimes war is what the powers that be want. And, history is written by the victors and there is no guarantee that the truth will be told.


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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:29 pm

branham1965 wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/Holocaust

Holocaust
HOL'OCAUST, noun [Gr. whole, and burnt, to burn.] A burnt-sacrifice or offering, the whole of which was consumed by fire; a species of sacrifice in use among the Jews and some pagan nations.


I submit the meaning of the word changed after Noah Webster wrote his 1828 dictionary.


I do not doubt that Mr.Webster said that in 1828.

I have always wanted to buy one of those.I hear it has a lot of Scripture referred to by Mr.Webster.

But it does not do away with the fact that Nazi Germany murdered
millions of Jews in World War Two.

No. It doesn't do away with the murders committed by the Nazis, at all.

But, even if they had murdered all of them, it still would not have been an holocaust, in my view, because I don't believe the Nazis intended them to be any sacrifice by fire to any god.

I am told that in Israel, they call it "The Shoah" which means 'catastrophe.' I much prefer this term, as it most certainly was a catastrophe.


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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:32 pm

luchnia wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
branham1965 wrote: WEBSTERS SAYS Holocaust


- THE KILLING OF EUROPEAN JEWS BY THE NAZI'S IN WORLD WAR 2

and refers to

GENOCIDE :THE DELIBERATE AND SYSTEMATIC DESTRUCTION OF A RACIAL,POLITICAL OR CULTURAL GROUP.

That really happened in World War 2 .

That's not what Noah Webster wrote that it meant.

http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/Holocaust

Holocaust
HOL'OCAUST, noun [Gr. whole, and burnt, to burn.] A burnt-sacrifice or offering, the whole of which was consumed by fire; a species of sacrifice in use among the Jews and some pagan nations.


I submit the meaning of the word changed after Noah Webster wrote his 1828 dictionary.

This would be a good thread topic. It took me some time, but I have one of the Noah Webster dictionaries. I am not sure of the date, but it is old and I am so often amazed and the definitions of the words.

I rely on the online copy at the given website, Luchnia. Especially, when I want to find out what a word meant in an earlier time, as the meanings of words sometimes change (like 'gay' and, apparently 'holocaust.')


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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:34 pm

Ironman wrote:Websters New Twentieth Century Dictionary Unabridged Second Edition - Delux Color 1972.

1. A burnt sacrifice or offering, the whole of which is consumed by fire.

2. Complete destruction of people or animals by fire.

3. A great widespread destruction, the systematic destruction of over six million European Jews by the Nazis before and during World War 11.
(And for you information spd, the words World War 2 are written in Websters as World War 11).

Thanks.

Designating it was WW11 and expecting anyone to conclude that WW2 is meant is strange, to me. I was never exposed to anyone calling it WW11, that I remember, until you brought it up. Still seems absurd, but it isn't your fault.

My apologies.


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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby branham1965 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:46 pm

That is very decent and very cool of you Roger. :angel: :angel: :angel:









Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Ironman wrote:Websters New Twentieth Century Dictionary Unabridged Second Edition - Delux Color 1972.

1. A burnt sacrifice or offering, the whole of which is consumed by fire.

2. Complete destruction of people or animals by fire.

3. A great widespread destruction, the systematic destruction of over six million European Jews by the Nazis before and during World War 11.
(And for you information spd, the words World War 2 are written in Websters as World War 11).

Thanks.

Designating it was WW11 and expecting anyone to conclude that WW2 is meant is strange, to me. I was never exposed to anyone calling it WW11, that I remember, until you brought it up. Still seems absurd, but it isn't your fault.

My apologies.



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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:57 pm

branham1965 wrote:
Ironman wrote:In my opinion, people who deny the holocaust are not much different than people who until this very day and beyond deny Jesus Christ.

:angel: :angel: Amen Haz.


Thanks for bringing this back to my attention, Billy.

It is very odd to equate the Jews that were murdered by the Nazis with Jesus Christ. To me, it isn't even close to right, to do so.

If we were to combine all of their blood, it wouldn't buy one second off of anyone's time in Hell.

There is simply no comparison. To me, it is blasphemous to compare the two as if they were equals in any way, shape, or form.


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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby Ironman » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:29 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
branham1965 wrote:
Ironman wrote:In my opinion, people who deny the holocaust are not much different than people who until this very day and beyond deny Jesus Christ.

:angel: :angel: Amen Haz.


Thanks for bringing this back to my attention, Billy.

It is very odd to equate the Jews that were murdered by the Nazis with Jesus Christ. To me, it isn't even close to right, to do so.

If we were to combine all of their blood, it wouldn't buy one second off of anyone's time in Hell.

There is simply no comparison. To me, it is blasphemous to compare the two as if they were equals in any way, shape, or form.


Not comparing the Jews to Jesus, just saying, many deny Jesus was here and was killed by men as were millions of God's people, the Jews. Satan inspired denial. Satan wants every one he can convince to not only believe he does not exist, or that he had rulership over "the world that then was" the pre-Adamites. He also wants people to believe that there is no such a place as eternal hellfire, that the Bible is a book of made up fairy tales, that there is no life after death and so it goes.

Matthew 7:14, Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
And Satan is doing everything in his power to keep as many from finding that narrow way which leades to eternal life with God.

Satan knows the best place to hide a lie, is between two truths.

Who said Repeat a lie often enough and it will believed? The quote is generally attributed to Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels, who was Adolf Hitler's Propaganda Minister in Nazi Germany. It's also, in various forms, been used by and/or attributed to several people since... Including Lenin and various Chinese ministers.

The truly scary thing about undiscovered lies is that they have a greater capacity to diminish us than exposed ones. They erode our strength, our self-esteem, our very foundation.
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I'll be a fool for truth's sake. Truth is fallen in the street. I wont pass it by. I'll pick it up and embrace it regardless of the costs.

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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby branham1965 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:30 pm

Thanks mate. :angel: :angel:
Ironman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
branham1965 wrote:
Ironman wrote:In my opinion, people who deny the holocaust are not much different than people who until this very day and beyond deny Jesus Christ.

:angel: :angel: Amen Haz.


Thanks for bringing this back to my attention, Billy.

It is very odd to equate the Jews that were murdered by the Nazis with Jesus Christ. To me, it isn't even close to right, to do so.

If we were to combine all of their blood, it wouldn't buy one second off of anyone's time in Hell.

There is simply no comparison. To me, it is blasphemous to compare the two as if they were equals in any way, shape, or form.


Not comparing the Jews to Jesus, just saying, many deny Jesus was here and was killed by men as were millions of God's people, the Jews. Satan inspired denial. Satan wants no one to not only believe he does not exist, that he had rulership over "the world that then was" the pre-Adamites. He wants people to believe that there is no such a place as eternal hellfire, that the Bible is a book of made up fairy tales, that there is no life after death and so it goes.

Matthew 7:14, Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
And Satan is doing everything in his power to keep as many from finding that narrow way which leades to eternal life with God.



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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:33 pm

Ironman wrote:... God's people, the Jews ...

Why call them that?

If they were God's people, they would have worshipped His Christ.


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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby Ironman » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:11 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Ironman wrote:... God's people, the Jews ...

Why call them that?

If they were God's people, they would have worshipped His Christ.


They are God's chosen people, no doubt about it.

God’s Word affirms that the Jews are God’s chosen people: “You are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession” (Deuteronomy 7:6). From eternity past God knew that He would need to be born into the human race in order to save us from the spiritually dead condition that we were in (Ephesians 1—2; Genesis 3). God had planned from the beginning to be born into a very small nation or race of people called the Jews. The Old Testament tells the story of how God set about creating, distinguishing, and preserving that race.

The saddest story in the Bible is the story of the Jews rejecting their own Messiah. After spending millennia desperately waiting and anticipating His arrival, most Jews didn't recognize Him. The Jews of Jesus' time had studied the Old Testament Scriptures and knew who the Messiah was supposed to be: a political leader that expelled their enemies out of their territory, re-established the Jewish nation, and brought peace and prosperity back to God's chosen people. But that is not what Jesus came for. Although the prophecies of political peace are yet to be fulfilled in the millennial kingdom, Jesus' purpose on earth was to bring personal peace between people and God. Even more shocking, that peace was to be offered to the Gentiles just as freely as to the Jews, and they didnt like that one bit.

The Jews rejected Jesus as Messiah because it was absolutely inconceivable to them that God came down as a man and dwelt among them. It was impossible that God should have a physical form, and complete heresy for any man to claim He was God. Their pride in their strict adherence to the law of the Old Testament blinded them to Who Jesus is.

All that being said, the Jews are God’s chosen people: “You are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession” (Deuteronomy 7:6).


Have I become your enemy, because I tell you the truth.

I'll be a fool for truth's sake. Truth is fallen in the street. I wont pass it by. I'll pick it up and embrace it regardless of the costs.


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