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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby branham1965 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:54 pm

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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby luchnia » Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:55 pm

Ironman wrote:
luchnia wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:Just to add to Luchnia's comments...

There have been a few posts in this thread that quoted verbatim from Calvinist websites, however no credit was given for the source.

To a Calvinist, I'm sure that the logic makes sense, but it doesn’t make as much sense from a Conditional Security perspective.

Glad you brought that up. I will be more observant. I just assumed that folks typed their post. Most of the time if I quote something I put quotes around it. I don't often cut from websites as that is someone else's view.


I quote from the Bible all the time, even cut and past from it. Would you call that someone else's view?

I usually post scripture references when I cut and paste from the Bible since that is God's word. I prefer to post the reference so it is not hard for others to find.

I find that helpful especially if one wants to do follow up study. If I post text from someone else's view, I generally state agreement or disagreement, or put it in quotes, maybe use italics as well, but it all depends on the subject being discussed and why the text is being used.


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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby branham1965 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:06 pm

:angel: :angel: :angel:

Ironman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Ironman wrote:Their pride in their strict adherence to the law of the Old Testament blinded them to Who Jesus is.

To me, this is nonsense.

If they would have believed Moses, they would have believed in Christ. In fact, Moses is their accuser!

See John 5:45-46.


No, Moses is not their accuser, he was the one God gave the commandments to. You sure are lost mate, where do you get this rubbish, not from the Word of God that's for sure.

The Jews rejected Jesus because God blinded them. Since their release from Babylon, the Jews had been faithful worshippers of God. They knew the law and followed it. They waited expectantly for God's Messiah—a military leader who would herald a new age of prosperity. Something about that mindset made it historically imperative that belief in Jesus should not take hold over the Jewish population. Perhaps it would have curtailed the spread of the gospel to the Gentiles. Or maybe the in-place religious and political leaders would have influenced the budding Christianity too much.

Paul says in Romans 9:30-33: 30, What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31, But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32, Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33, As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Most Jews today still reject Jesus, taking old habits and justifying them with modern philosophies. If there is no sin nature, there is no need for a sacrifice purer than human effort and intent. "Messiah" no longer means a single person, but a force through history that will revenge the Jewish people and restore Israel as a mighty power. If Jews had followed Jesus' pacifist ways, there would be no more Jews. There is also a great deal of tension regarding Jews and the crucifixion of Jesus. Many from the Christian church have blamed Jews, most viciously, for Jesus' horrible death. This is erroneous, as Jesus voluntarily laid down His life as a sacrifice for the sin of all mankind.
Still, not all Jews, then or now, reject Jesus. The apostles were Jewish, and it's estimated that there are a quarter-million Messianic Jews in the U.S. today. And Israel as a nation still has a role to play. In the millennial kingdom, God will once again look to Jews to be His chosen people. Jews will flock to Israel (Ezekiel 34:11-13). They will come to accept Jesus as their Messiah (Zechariah 12:10). God will restore their relationship with Him (Ezekiel 11:17). And Jesus will rule the world from Jerusalem (Isaiah 2:4), bringing peace to the nations (Isaiah 11:6-9). The Jews' rejection of Jesus is only until the "fullness of the Gentiles has come in" (Romans 11:25). May that be soon.



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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:07 pm

branham1965 wrote:Roger,

What kind of end time view do you hold now???

Is it Saint Augustine's the City of God or what is it??

PLEASE share.


Hi, Billy,

This seems like it is off-topic for this thread.

I didn't finish reading Augustine and cannot say that I know for sure what his view is, let alone whether I agree with it.

If you would like to discuss it further, let's take it to a new thread.


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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby branham1965 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:55 am

I have never read it.


I have heard that Christians who use Replacement Theology are following Saint Augustine.

That might make a good thread as you said.

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
branham1965 wrote:Roger,

What kind of end time view do you hold now???

Is it Saint Augustine's the City of God or what is it??

PLEASE share.


Hi, Billy,

This seems like it is off-topic for this thread.

I didn't finish reading Augustine and cannot say that I know for sure what his view is, let alone whether I agree with it.

If you would like to discuss it further, let's take it to a new thread.



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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby Ironman » Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:25 pm

'I'd never lied in my life but I fooled the Angel of Death':

A Holocaust survivor has revealed how he escaped the Auschwitz gas chambers by outwitting Dr Josef Mengele, known as the ‘Angel of Death’.
Leslie Kleinman, 88, whose concentration camp number is still tattooed on his forearm, has told MailOnline for the first time about the heart-stopping encounter with one of Nazi Germany’s most notorious sadists in 1944.
A picture taken shortly before the war shows a happy family. By the end of the War, Mr Kleinman was the only survivor – and he managed it by fooling Mengele into the belief that he was older than he actually was.


Holocaust survivor Leslie Kleinman, 88, holds a picture of his family, all of whom perished


Josef Mengele, the 'Angel of Death', a Nazi doctor based at Auschwitz who carried out sadistic human experiments, including injecting dye into children's eyes and sewing twins together


Leslie Kleinman, bottom left, with his parents and seven siblings Gittel, Chaim, Tavi, Frimet, Shaindel, Avrom, Moshe Yisroel and Chaye Sorah. He was the only one to survive


Mr Kleinman shows the tattoo that he received upon arrival at the Auschwitz camp in Poland


After more than 70 years, the numbers on the tattoo, 8230, are still visible
Victims of Josef Mengele recall the horrors at Auschwitz


‘Mengele was the man who carried out human experiments, including operating on twins without anaesthetic,’ he said. ‘I heard them screaming many times when I was in Auschwitz.
‘When we arrived, we had to line up in front of Mengele to be examined. He needed workers. If he thought we were strong enough to work, we would live. If not, we were sent to the gas chambers. Most of the women and the children were killed.’
While he was waiting in the queue, another inmate told him to pretend that he was 17 rather than 14. It was a difficult decision but Mr Kleinman made up his mind to lie to the Angel of Death.
It was the first time in my life that I told a proper lie
Leslie Kleinman
‘It was the first time in my life that I told a proper lie, as I’d been brought up to be honest,’ he said. ‘My father always told me to tell the truth if you want people to believe you. But I decided that a small lie to save your life was worth it. Some things you have to do.’
When the Nazi sadist asked his age, he duly told him that he was 17. Mengele listened, then waved him to the line of people who had been selected to live.
‘I was 5ft 10in, a strong guy. I grew up in a poor family in the Carpathian Mountains and we were used to hard work,’ he said. ‘God was with me and Mengele believed that I was 17. That was the moment I could have lost my life.’
His mother, four sisters and three brothers were all sent to the other line and were gassed. His father had been taken to Auschwitz three weeks before where he also perished.
In total, 68 members of Mr Kleinman’s family were killed. They were among the many thousands of Jews and Roma that Mengele – the resident medic at Auschwitz from May 1943 until he fled the advancing Red Army in 1945 – sent to their deaths at the camp, where 1.1million people lost their lives.
Mengele was in charge of administering Zyklon B, the gas used by the Nazis for mass-murder. During the course of his experiments, the doctor injected chemicals into prisoners’ eyes to try to change their iris colour, pulled out healthy teeth, and sewed children together to create artificially conjoined twins.


Josef Mengele, left, stands with Rudolf Hoss, the Commandant of Auschwitz, and Josef Kramer, the Commendant of Belsen concentration camp


A photograph believed to show Josef Mengele in later life after he went on the run


Leslie Kleinman holds documentation he was given on entry to Britain in 1947



Leslie Kleinman as a child, left, and at the age of 23 in the United Kingdom, right

Mr Kleinman has dedicated his life to telling his story to raise awareness of the Holocaust

In an effort to find scientific proof for Nazi claims of Aryan superiority, Mengele unnecessarily amputated limbs and infected children with typhus. On one occasion, he killed 14 twins in a single night by injecting chloroform into their hearts.
He even managed to escape justice. At the end of the war, the killer went on the run and found refuge in South America. He died in a swimming pool in Brazil in 1979.
Mr Kleinman, who survived by fooling Mengele, did not speak about his experiences for 60 years but now dedicates his life to telling his story. Last year he took groups to Auschwitz seven times with the charity JRoots, and over the years has covered 24,000miles telling his story around the world.
A picture taken in 1936 shows Mr Kleinman at the age of seven, posing with his parents and five brothers and sisters in their hometown of Abud in western Romania. Four years later, Romania was annexed by Hungary and occupied by the German army.
‘It got worse and worse,’ Mr Kleinman recalls. ‘they closed our shops and force us to wear a yellow band with a star. In 1944, they finally arrested us and took us to Auschwitz in cattle trucks.
‘It was a 300mile journey and we had only one bucket for a toilet between 110 people. When we arrived, the stench was unbelievable. We weren’t human any more.’
Among the many horrors he experienced in the camp was the time the man labouring with a pickaxe next to him was shot dead simply because he straightened his back.
Mr Kleinman was taken on a notorious Nazi ‘death march’ in January 1945 when Soviet troops closed in on the camp.
In temperatures of -20C, he and thousands of prisoners were forced to walk 500miles to Sachsenhausen in Germany and from there another 500miles to Dachau, wearing nothing but striped pyjamas, a blanket and wooden clogs. Some resorted to eating human flesh while Mr Kleinman kept himself alive by consuming grass. Any prisoner who failed to keep up was executed.
‘Of the 5,000 prisoners that started the march, fewer than 200 of us survived,’ Mr Kleinman recalls. ‘I was three-and-a-half stone when the Americans found me.’
The moment of freedom come on 23 April 1945. ‘We were marching along and suddenly everybody disappeared and I was left alone,’ he said. ‘I hid in a foxhole and a tank approached.
Holocaust survivors commemorate anniversary of Auschwitz liberation


Leslie Kleinman, right, and his first wife Evelyn Holz, left, a non-Jewish German

A picture of Leslie Kleinman taken from the documentation he received on entering Britain
‘The driver got out and found me. He asked me in Yiddish if I was a Jew and I admitted it. Then he told me he too was Jewish – an American Jew from Brooklyn. He got an SS officer and forced him to give me his boots and take my clogs instead.’
Mr Kleinman was taken to hospital, where a short time later he was given an extraordinary opportunity for revenge.
‘An American soldier gave me a service revolver and told me I could keep it for four days and shoot any Nazi I recognised,’ he said.
‘I took the gun but I couldn’t do it. I wasn’t brought up with hate and killing people. We were brought up with kindness. We were very poor in my house, but there was a lot of love. I just couldn’t do it. It wasn’t gong to gain anything. I couldn’t get my family back, so what was the vengeance for?’
The revolver proved to be useful, however, when a few days later Mr Kleinman was taking shelter in a beer factory and was accused by some Russian soldiers of stealing alcohol.
‘I don’t even drink,’ he said. ‘I managed to get away by pointing the pistol at them. I was very lucky as I didn’t even know how to fire it.’
Mr Kleinman came to the United Kingdom in 1947, and now lives in Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. In another extraordinary twist, in 1956 married a non-Jewish German woman, Evelyn Holz, whom he had met at a dance in Kilburn, north London. They had two children together and after a long and happy marriage, Evelyn passed away in 2004.
Mr Kleinman remarried in 2011, at the age of 82. His new wife, Miriam, is 10 years younger than him.
But the memories of his past continue to haunt him. He still mourns his father Martin, a rabbi who was killed at the age of 35; mother Rachel, also 35; his four sisters, Gitta, 15, Olga, nine, Shandi, seven, and Sarah, five; and his three brothers, Herman, 12, Abraham, four, and Moses, two.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Death.html


Have I become your enemy, because I tell you the truth.

I'll be a fool for truth's sake. Truth is fallen in the street. I wont pass it by. I'll pick it up and embrace it regardless of the costs.

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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby Ironman » Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:26 pm

breaking news

World marks Holocaust amid rising hatred
Europe is marking Holocaust Remembrance Day amid a rising wave of ultra nationalism, extreme right-wing groups and anti-Semitism.

Vanessa Gera and Matthew Lee
Associated PressJanuary 28, 20183:14am

Elderly survivors have gathered at the former Auschwitz death camp and political leaders warn that the Nazi genocide must continue to serve as a warning as the world marked International Holocaust Remembrance Day.

In Warsaw, Poland, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson paid his respects in a solemn ceremony at a memorial to the Jews who died revolting against German forces in the doomed Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of 1943.
Tillerson trailed two uniformed Polish military officers and readjusted a wreath underneath the monument, a hulking structure located in what was once the Warsaw Ghetto.
The head of Warsaw's Jewish community read a prayer and Tillerson made brief remarks about the importance of not forgetting the horrors of the Holocaust.
"On this occasion it reminds us that we can never, we can never, be indifferent to the face of evil," Tillerson said.
"The western alliance which emerged from World War II has committed itself to assuring the security of all, that this would never happen again," he said. "As we mark this day in solemn remembrance, let us repeat the words of our own commitment: Never again. Never again."
His words came amid signs in Europe and beyond that ultra-nationalism and extreme right-wing groups are on the rise.
In Germany and Austria, the nations that perpetrated the killing of 6 million Jews and millions of others during World War II, far-right parties with their roots in the Nazi era are gaining strength. The anti-migrant, anti-Muslim AfD party won seats in the German parliament for the first time last year, while in Austria the nationalist, anti-migrant Freedom Party is in the government.
Both parties have had issues with members making anti-Semitic remarks.
In Europe, that support is partially a backlash to the large influx of mostly Muslim migrants to Europe that peaked in 2015.
Some of those migrants, especially from Arab countries, have brought their own brand of anti-Semitism with them.

In Germany, many Jews have reported feeling threatened by anti-Semitism, both from native far-right groups and from Arabs, and Jewish institutions across the country have increased security.
Meanwhile, Muslim immigrants have been the target of German far-right attacks or threats.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel marked the day by addressing the rising anti-Semitism in her weekly Saturday podcast.
She said schools need to work harder at that especially so immigrant students from Arab countries will not "exercise anti-Semitism".
She called it "incomprehensible and a disgrace that no Jewish institution can exist without police security, whether it is a school, a kindergarten or a synagogue."

http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-n ... e6b02ed18d


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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby Ironman » Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:35 pm

Shortly before election day, on the evening of February 27, 1933 in Berlin, the Reichstag building (the Imperial Parliament) went up in flames. Adolf Hitler rushed to the scene. At first glance, Hitler described the fire as a beacon from heaven.

"You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in German history. This fire is the beginning," Hitler told a news reporter at the scene.

Now, everyone likes to say, "Hitler did this," and "Hitler did that." But the truth is Hitler did very little. He was a world class tyrant, but the evil actually done by the Third Reich, from the death camps to WWII, was all done by German citizens who were afraid to question if what they were told by their government was the truth or not, and who, because they did not want to admit to themselves that they were afraid to question the government, refused to see the truth behind the Reichstag Fire, refused to see the invasion by Poland was a staged fake, and followed Hitler into national disaster."


Have I become your enemy, because I tell you the truth.

I'll be a fool for truth's sake. Truth is fallen in the street. I wont pass it by. I'll pick it up and embrace it regardless of the costs.

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Re: Dont deny the Holocaust.

Postby branham1965 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:09 pm

Thanks for sharing that Haz.


I will never understand how that happened.



How awfully depressing.




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