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The two fold teaching of the worldly so called church!

Postby bibleman » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:07 am

The two fold teaching of the worldly so called church!

1) Sin is not punished and 2) Obedience is not blessed.

I have heard the "sin is not punished" by many for years but of late I am hearing more and more preaching on "obedience is not blessed."

In other words people are saying God blesses based on HIM just blessing you... not by your works?

How false a doctrine that is riding in on the false grace teaching being preached by Swaggart, Creflo and Prince.


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Re: The two fold teaching of the worldly so called church!

Postby luchnia » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:35 pm

bibleman wrote:The two fold teaching of the worldly so called church!

1) Sin is not punished and 2) Obedience is not blessed.

I have heard the "sin is not punished" by many for years but of late I am hearing more and more preaching on "obedience is not blessed."

In other words people are saying God blesses based on HIM just blessing you... not by your works?

How false a doctrine that is riding in on the false grace teaching being preached by Swaggart, Creflo and Prince.

Let's climb up on this soapbox!

I am sure you know that part of that message culminates in you don't need to obey and can sin your way to eternal life. I know you must tire of the two-fold teaching.

Gracites can get under your skin. You can preach obedience to them till the cows come home and you are just wasting breath into the air.

How can anyone that hears the word think they will go through this life thinking that God does not require obedience?


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Re: The two fold teaching of the worldly so called church!

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:52 pm

bibleman wrote:1) Sin is not punished and 2) Obedience is not blessed.

I had no idea that either Creflo or Prince went that far. I would have thought that both taught blessings for at least obedience in finances, along with cursings for disobedience in finances.

I guess I don't listen to them enough to know what they teach.



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Re: The two fold teaching of the worldly so called church!

Postby luchnia » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:27 am

bibleman wrote:The two fold teaching of the worldly so called church!

1) Sin is not punished and 2) Obedience is not blessed.

I have heard the "sin is not punished" by many for years but of late I am hearing more and more preaching on "obedience is not blessed."

In other words people are saying God blesses based on HIM just blessing you... not by your works?

How false a doctrine that is riding in on the false grace teaching being preached by Swaggart, Creflo and Prince.

bibleman, you ever taken the time to notice just how captivating men's words are to one that simply does not take the time to measure them against God's word and discern what is being said and the agenda behind it? You can look at youtube and in minutes you can be totally consumed with their words.

Think of how powerful that those preachers could be had they preached Word that was not mixed with their perceptions. Many would have done better just to read from God's word! You listen to most of those folks and they have little to no Word residing and it is doubtful that they even understand the source of what they are speaking! This is the bad part of it all. By their words, they have convinced themselves of what they speak. Creflo and Copeland are perfect examples.

I do think that this is the primary way the deceiver works. Just as he deceived early on and they bought it the method still works today and produces sin. Remember the parable of the sower where Jesus illustrates how the thief steals from us? What is sown in our hearts comes out our mouths, so how do you steal that thing which is sown in the heart? You steal it by stealing the Word. You replace what is in your heart by words that deceive your heart. Those become actions that have consequences.

Look at the mega preachers that captivate the sheeples and get them to do just about anything they want. People have completely broken themselves even to the point of selling their home and being in poverty for the pulpit lunatics. I totally believe in prosperity, health, and righteousness, yet I do not believe in what the majority of mega preachers teach about these things.


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Re: The two fold teaching of the worldly so called church!

Postby bibleman » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:04 am

luchnia wrote:
bibleman wrote:The two fold teaching of the worldly so called church!

1) Sin is not punished and 2) Obedience is not blessed.

I have heard the "sin is not punished" by many for years but of late I am hearing more and more preaching on "obedience is not blessed."

In other words people are saying God blesses based on HIM just blessing you... not by your works?

How false a doctrine that is riding in on the false grace teaching being preached by Swaggart, Creflo and Prince.


You listen to most of those folks and they have little to no Word residing and it is doubtful that they even understand the source of what they are speaking! This is the bad part of it all. By their words, they have convinced themselves of what they speak. Creflo and Copeland are perfect examples.


Well yes Copeland does give lots of stories and illustrations BUT Creflo since he has been teaching the false grace is giving more Scripture than ever.

Of course he misapplies it and twist it to suit his teaching. But now-a-days Creflo stays in the Bible for his teaching.


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Re: The two fold teaching of the worldly so called church!

Postby bibleman » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:09 am

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
bibleman wrote:1) Sin is not punished and 2) Obedience is not blessed.

I had no idea that either Creflo or Prince went that far. I would have thought that both taught blessings for at least obedience in finances, along with cursings for disobedience in finances.

I guess I don't listen to them enough to know what they teach.


Creflo has re-written all of his books so that they do NOT include "works-salvation" his code word for obeying the Bible and receiving based on the obedience. For Creflo these days - it is all by GRACE.

One of his favorite Scriptures is: 2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. (KJV) - See we don't even have to believe! +wink


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Re: The two fold teaching of the worldly so called church!

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:24 pm

bibleman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
bibleman wrote:1) Sin is not punished and 2) Obedience is not blessed.

I had no idea that either Creflo or Prince went that far. I would have thought that both taught blessings for at least obedience in finances, along with cursings for disobedience in finances.

I guess I don't listen to them enough to know what they teach.


Creflo has re-written all of his books so that they do NOT include "works-salvation" his code word for obeying the Bible and receiving based on the obedience. For Creflo these days - it is all by GRACE.

One of his favorite Scriptures is: 2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. (KJV) - See we don't even have to believe! +wink

Interesting.

I've heard more than one proponent of OSAS use 2 Timothy 2:13 to say that a genuinely saved person could become an atheist and still remain saved. However, I can't remember ever encountering anyone teaching that there were no consequences for dis/obedience, both in this life and the next.



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Re: The two fold teaching of the worldly so called church!

Postby bibleman » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:30 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
bibleman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
bibleman wrote:1) Sin is not punished and 2) Obedience is not blessed.

I had no idea that either Creflo or Prince went that far. I would have thought that both taught blessings for at least obedience in finances, along with cursings for disobedience in finances.

I guess I don't listen to them enough to know what they teach.


Creflo has re-written all of his books so that they do NOT include "works-salvation" his code word for obeying the Bible and receiving based on the obedience. For Creflo these days - it is all by GRACE.

One of his favorite Scriptures is: 2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. (KJV) - See we don't even have to believe! +wink

Interesting.

I've heard more than one proponent of OSAS use 2 Timothy 2:13 to say that a genuinely saved person could become an atheist and still remain saved. However, I can't remember ever encountering anyone teaching that there were no consequences for dis/obedience, both in this life and the next.


OH sorry! I did not mean to imply that Creflo says there are no consequences in this life - he does!

BUT what he says is there NO ETERNAL consequences for sin for the person who has been born again.

In other words you could commit adultery as a believer and it could tear up your home... but NOT send you to Hell.


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Re: The two fold teaching of the worldly so called church!

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:39 pm

bibleman wrote:Creflo says... there NO ETERNAL consequences for sin for the person who has been born again.

In other words you could commit adultery as a believer and it could tear up your home... but NOT send you to Hell.

Interesting. No eternal consequences for either obedience or disobedience? Not even Charles Stanley goes that far.

Let me get this straight, Creflo believes that all believers get the same rewards/punishments in the afterlife regardless of how they live, here and now? So, the "rewards" are the same, regardless of how you "ran the race"?

Wow.



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Re: The two fold teaching of the worldly so called church!

Postby luchnia » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:49 pm

bibleman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
bibleman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
bibleman wrote:1) Sin is not punished and 2) Obedience is not blessed.

I had no idea that either Creflo or Prince went that far. I would have thought that both taught blessings for at least obedience in finances, along with cursings for disobedience in finances.

I guess I don't listen to them enough to know what they teach.


Creflo has re-written all of his books so that they do NOT include "works-salvation" his code word for obeying the Bible and receiving based on the obedience. For Creflo these days - it is all by GRACE.

One of his favorite Scriptures is: 2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. (KJV) - See we don't even have to believe! +wink

Interesting.

I've heard more than one proponent of OSAS use 2 Timothy 2:13 to say that a genuinely saved person could become an atheist and still remain saved. However, I can't remember ever encountering anyone teaching that there were no consequences for dis/obedience, both in this life and the next.


OH sorry! I did not mean to imply that Creflo says there are no consequences in this life - he does!

BUT what he says is there NO ETERNAL consequences for sin for the person who has been born again.

In other words you could commit adultery as a believer and it could tear up your home... but NOT send you to Hell.
I have not listened to Creflo in years, but doesn't surprise me at all.


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