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Re: John Wycliffe

Postby Ironman » Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:52 pm

Ironman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Ironman wrote:Mary was a young Jewish woman, chosen by God to have the baby Jesus.

Was that Marty McFly?

You know that was a typing error :neutral:


Have I become your enemy, because I tell you the truth.

I'll be a fool for truth's sake. Truth is fallen in the street. I wont pass it by. I'll pick it up and embrace it regardless of the costs.

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Re: John Wycliffe

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:20 pm

Ironman wrote:
Ironman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Ironman wrote:Mary was a young Jewish woman, chosen by God to have the baby Jesus.

Was that Marty McFly?

You know that was a typing error :neutral:

I hope so. :crazyeyes:



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Re: John Wycliffe

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:38 pm

Ironman wrote:"WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO DEFEND THIS CHURCH BUILT SOLEY UPON PAGAN RITES, RITUALS, PRACTICES AND TRADITIONS?"

I'm not actually defending "this church built solely upon pagan rites, rituals, practices, and traditions," Haz. You're mistaken on that.

I'm just pointing out that not everything you're presenting against the RCC is true. And, not everything you've presented as their beliefs actually lines up with their actual beliefs.



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Re: John Wycliffe

Postby Ironman » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:54 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Ironman wrote:"WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO DEFEND THIS CHURCH BUILT SOLEY UPON PAGAN RITES, RITUALS, PRACTICES AND TRADITIONS?"

I'm not actually defending "this church built solely upon pagan rites, rituals, practices, and traditions," Haz. You're mistaken on that.

I'm just pointing out that not everything you're presenting against the RCC is true. And, not everything you've presented as their beliefs actually lines up with their actual beliefs.


Do you agree with these things they believe in and do or am I in error?

Do they say the rosary, YES do they pray to Mary, YES do they pray to the dead, YES do they confess to a priest instead of God in Jesus name, YES do they bow and pray before statues (Idols), YES do they call the pope "Holy Father," YES do they kiss the bishops ring, another pagan custom, YES do they light candles and pray before them at the altar and statue of Mary,YES does the priest, a mere man pretend to change a wafer of bread into the living body of Jesus Christ? YES. Do they call Mary co-redemptirx? YES.

I know they do because I was involved in most of it for many years. All these things make them Satan's church not God's church led by Jesus Christ Himself.


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I'll be a fool for truth's sake. Truth is fallen in the street. I wont pass it by. I'll pick it up and embrace it regardless of the costs.

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Re: John Wycliffe

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:36 pm

Ironman wrote:Do they say the rosary, YES

https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-rosary


Ironman wrote:do they pray to Mary, YES

https://www.catholic.com/tract/praying-to-the-saints


Ironman wrote:do they pray to the dead, YES

https://www.catholic.com/tract/praying-to-the-saints


Ironman wrote:do they confess to a priest instead of God in Jesus name, YES

https://www.catholic.com/tract/confession
https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-forgiveness-of-sins


Ironman wrote:do they bow and pray before statues (Idols), YES

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/statues-arent-necessarily-idols


Ironman wrote:do they call the pope "Holy Father," YES

https://www.catholic.com/tract/call-no-man-father


Ironman wrote:do they kiss the bishops ring, another pagan custom, YES

Is it a pagan custom or just a custom that has similarities to a pagan custom? From what I'm am told, this custom supposedly has to do with indulgences and Purgatory.


Ironman wrote:do they light candles and pray before them at the altar and statue of Mary,YES

https://www.catholic.com/tract/praying-to-the-saints
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/statues-arent-necessarily-idols


Ironman wrote:does the priest, a mere man pretend to change a wafer of bread into the living body of Jesus Christ? YES.

https://www.catholic.com/tract/christ-in-the-eucharist
https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-institution-of-the-mass
https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-sacrifice-of-the-mass


Ironman wrote:Do they call Mary co-redemptirx? YES.

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/mary-mother-of-salvation


Ironman wrote:I was involved in... Satan's church...

Why were you involved in Satan's church for so long? I know you said you never believe in it. So, why did you stay?



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Re: John Wycliffe

Postby branham1965 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:30 am

Roger,

You seem to be defending them at every point.Which is certainly your right.Are you considering becoming a Roman Catholic??Or Eastern Orthodox??

I personally believe that there are untold numbers of good Christians in both of those Churches.And i believe there are Christians in most all of the Protestant mainline Churches and in the Charismatic and Pentecostal Churches.

Peace.
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Re: John Wycliffe

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:56 am

branham1965 wrote:Are you considering becoming a Roman Catholic??Or Eastern Orthodox??

No.



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Re: John Wycliffe

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:57 am

branham1965 wrote:I personally believe that there are untold numbers of good Christians in both of those Churches.And i believe there are Christians in most all of the Protestant mainline Churches and in the Charismatic and Pentecostal Churches.

Peace.

I agree.



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Re: John Wycliffe

Postby branham1965 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:18 pm

That is cool +wink :mrgreen:

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
branham1965 wrote:I personally believe that there are untold numbers of good Christians in both of those Churches.And i believe there are Christians in most all of the Protestant mainline Churches and in the Charismatic and Pentecostal Churches.

Peace.

I agree.



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Re: John Wycliffe

Postby bibleman » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:19 am

branham1965 wrote:That is cool +wink :mrgreen:

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
branham1965 wrote:I personally believe that there are untold numbers of good Christians in both of those Churches.And i believe there are Christians in most all of the Protestant mainline Churches and in the Charismatic and Pentecostal Churches.

Peace.

I agree.


I disagree.

If they were good Christians they would leave the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches.

Matthew 7:13“You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way.
14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.


The way to God is not that broad!


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