olindquist wrote:Jesus speaking to the pharisees in Matthew 12:27,
"And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children(disciples) cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges."
Mat. 10: 24 " The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord."
Jesus said that the pharisees' disciples were casting out devils and a disciple is not above his master. From all indications those pharisees were not saved, yet their disciples were casting out devils. By what means and were they saved?
For a moment let's consider the rationale you have used to assume that the disciples of the pharisees, the unsaved, were casting out devils. Here is something to ponder about how this sentence has been divided to make it have a meaning other than the figure of speech and meaning that Jesus was using.
Since you assume that the disciples of the pharisees were casting out devils, then by the same standard you have placed on that part of the sentence would you not assume that Jesus cast out devils by Beelzebub because Jesus said so in the very same sentence?
Look at the context and the type of speech Jesus was using here. Does anyone really think that Jesus cast out devils by Beelzebub? Ok, now apply the same rationale to the rest of the statement Jesus made and notice very closely the word "if" which is an indicator of a meaning that is important here.
Jesus says, "IF" I do something, then.... Now just realize that the answer is IF NOT. In other words, I don't cast out demons by the power of Beelzebub and your disciples don't cast out anything. Basically you and your disciples blow some air of darkness out of your lips. The rest of the figure of speech means nothing in that case. Context, context, context