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Re: Revelation 12:5

Postby branham1965 » Sat May 27, 2017 1:18 am

Some how the wires are crossed here. I may be misunderstanding you. +goofy

NIV,Orthodox,Peoples ,King James study Bible,Wiersbe,Halley.... all say it is Christ and He was caught up to Heaven when he ascended.

Orthodox SB has interesting notes on this Chapter.

The KJV study Bible 2nd edition is quite nice.It is well done.published by Thomas Nelson. Ed Hindson Editor.

I think you would like it.

I meant no offence meant to you and Haz.





Spiritblade Disciple wrote:Once, again...
I agree with your conclusion that the Man Child is Jesus. No doubt about that, in my mind.

I just want to know why you believe it. But, if you don't want to further explain what you base your conclusion on, that's fine.


branham1965 wrote:ONCE AGAIN

SOME BIBLE SCHOLARS SAY THAT VERSE 5 OF CHAPTER 12 IS JESUS CHRIST.

I think it is as well.If you do not agree that is fine.

I am NOT trying to disprove Reverend Finis Jennings Dake or anyone.
I think folks can disagree on some of these things.



Spiritblade Disciple wrote:I agree that Dake was a man.

I don't think your views are solid enough to refute Dake's position based upon what you've presented, so far.

You mention scholars who say it is Christ... How do they refute Dake's reasons for thinking the Man Child is the 144,000?


branham1965 wrote:REVEREND DAKE AS GREAT AS HE WAS .... WAS A MAN.

I GAVE YOU MY VIEWS ABOVE.

REVELATION 12:5 IN MY VIEW IT IS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.

I HAVE CHECKED A FEW OTHER SCHOLARS WHO SAY IT IS CHRIST.



Spiritblade Disciple wrote:Do you have any other reason(s) for disagreeing with Dake concerning the identity of the Man Child?



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Re: Revelation 12:5

Postby Ironman » Sat May 27, 2017 5:48 pm

[quote="branham1965"]Some how the wires are crossed here. I may be misunderstanding you. +goofy

NIV,Orthodox,Peoples ,King James study Bible,Wiersbe,Halley.... all say it is Christ and He was caught up to Heaven when he ascended.

Orthodox SB has interesting notes on this Chapter.

The KJV study Bible 2nd edition is quite nice.It is well done.published by Thomas Nelson. Ed Hindson Editor.

I think you would like it.

I meant no offence meant to you and Haz.




None taken billy. Christ first ascended up to Heaven after He was raised from the dead. He at that time took all those who were in Paradise with Abraham, waiting for their saviour to release them from that place. Eph. 4:8, Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

These were the immortal souls that were held in captivity by Satan.
This has nothing to do with the manchild.


Have I become your enemy, because I tell you the truth.

I'll be a fool for truth's sake. Truth is fallen in the street. I wont pass it by. I'll pick it up and embrace it regardless of the costs.

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Re: Revelation 12:5

Postby branham1965 » Sat May 27, 2017 6:22 pm

THANK YOU for caring mate.

You are a true cobber. :angel: :angel:

Ironman wrote:
branham1965 wrote:Some how the wires are crossed here. I may be misunderstanding you. +goofy

NIV,Orthodox,Peoples ,King James study Bible,Wiersbe,Halley.... all say it is Christ and He was caught up to Heaven when he ascended.

Orthodox SB has interesting notes on this Chapter.

The KJV study Bible 2nd edition is quite nice.It is well done.published by Thomas Nelson. Ed Hindson Editor.

I think you would like it.

I meant no offence meant to you and Haz.




None taken billy. Christ first ascended up to Heaven after He was raised from the dead. He at that time took all those who were in Paradise with Abraham, waiting for their saviour to release them from that place. Eph. 4:8, Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

These were the immortal souls that were held in captivity by Satan.
This has nothing to do with the manchild.



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Re: Revelation 12:5

Postby dolph » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:58 pm

This is a great example of Mr. Dake's brilliance. Just look up manchild in your concordance and you find the key to the puzzle.

Isaiah 66:7-8

7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a MANCHILD. 8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

When Jesus describes His return following the tribulation in the Olivet discourse He calls it a time of troubles. The Greek means birth pangs. This begs the question, Who is being born. The answer is twofold: The 144,000 Jews are sealed in C.7 of Revelation, born again in 12:5 as the manchild, seen in Heaven in C.14. (before her pain, the great tribulation, the 144,000 was delivered). The second birth is all Israel being saved when the Jews see the holes in Christ's hands (Zech.12:10; 13:6) at the second advent after they had fled to the wilderness. Paul said all Israel will be saved, Rom. 11:25,26.

Christ's birth is not part of the narrative in any way.



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Re: Revelation 12:5

Postby branham1965 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:49 am

ANYONE SAYING THAT IS NOT THE BIRTH OF CHRIST IS READING SOME WINDBAGS BOOKS LIKE LARKIN OR WHOEVER.ITS ALL NONSENSE DOLPH +pieface
dolph wrote:This is a great example of Mr. Dake's brilliance. Just look up manchild in your concordance and you find the key to the puzzle.

Isaiah 66:7-8

7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a MANCHILD. 8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

When Jesus describes His return following the tribulation in the Olivet discourse He calls it a time of troubles. The Greek means birth pangs. This begs the question, Who is being born. The answer is twofold: The 144,000 Jews are sealed in C.7 of Revelation, born again in 12:5 as the manchild, seen in Heaven in C.14. (before her pain, the great tribulation, the 144,000 was delivered). The second birth is all Israel being saved when the Jews see the holes in Christ's hands (Zech.12:10; 13:6) at the second advent after they had fled to the wilderness. Paul said all Israel will be saved, Rom. 11:25,26.

Christ's birth is not part of the narrative in any way.
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Re: Revelation 12:5

Postby bibleman » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:01 am

branham1965 wrote:ANYONE SAYING THAT IS NOT THE BIRTH OF CHRIST IS READING SOME WINDBAGS BOOKS LIKE LARKIN OR WHOEVER.ITS ALL NONSENSE DOLPH +pieface
dolph wrote:This is a great example of Mr. Dake's brilliance. Just look up manchild in your concordance and you find the key to the puzzle.

Isaiah 66:7-8

7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a MANCHILD. 8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

When Jesus describes His return following the tribulation in the Olivet discourse He calls it a time of troubles. The Greek means birth pangs. This begs the question, Who is being born. The answer is twofold: The 144,000 Jews are sealed in C.7 of Revelation, born again in 12:5 as the manchild, seen in Heaven in C.14. (before her pain, the great tribulation, the 144,000 was delivered). The second birth is all Israel being saved when the Jews see the holes in Christ's hands (Zech.12:10; 13:6) at the second advent after they had fled to the wilderness. Paul said all Israel will be saved, Rom. 11:25,26.

Christ's birth is not part of the narrative in any way.


Well Billy

I guess you would have to include Dake as a winbac as well because he also agrees with the fact that the manchild is the 144,000.


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Re: Revelation 12:5

Postby branham1965 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:22 am

No i do not think Reverend Dake was a windbag.

I should not have posted this.
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Re: Revelation 12:5

Postby branham1965 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:23 am

I am sorry for being offensive Dolph.



branham1965 wrote:ANYONE SAYING THAT IS NOT THE BIRTH OF CHRIST IS READING SOME WINDBAGS BOOKS LIKE LARKIN OR WHOEVER.ITS ALL NONSENSE DOLPH +pieface
dolph wrote:This is a great example of Mr. Dake's brilliance. Just look up manchild in your concordance and you find the key to the puzzle.

Isaiah 66:7-8

7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a MANCHILD. 8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

When Jesus describes His return following the tribulation in the Olivet discourse He calls it a time of troubles. The Greek means birth pangs. This begs the question, Who is being born. The answer is twofold: The 144,000 Jews are sealed in C.7 of Revelation, born again in 12:5 as the manchild, seen in Heaven in C.14. (before her pain, the great tribulation, the 144,000 was delivered). The second birth is all Israel being saved when the Jews see the holes in Christ's hands (Zech.12:10; 13:6) at the second advent after they had fled to the wilderness. Paul said all Israel will be saved, Rom. 11:25,26.

Christ's birth is not part of the narrative in any way.




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