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The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

Postby branham1965 » Sat May 06, 2017 3:31 pm

I looked this up on Wikipedia.

It says that there are 4 main views on the Second Coming in Christendom.

1. Post tribulational Pre Millennialism

2.Pre Tribulational (dispensational)Pre Millennialism

3.Post Millennialism

4. Amillennialism.

What do you think about these???



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Re: Can Christians disagree on the Second Coming???

Postby titus213 » Sat May 06, 2017 4:26 pm

The 4 you listed all have to do with the millennium, which I guess I think of as one aspect of Christ's Second Coming. When it comes to that, I do feel there can be disagreement among genuine believers. That is to say, a person's views of the millennium do not determine whether or not he is saved.

I would put my own stance at #2 (with the caveat that I am not dispensational).



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Re: The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

Postby Ironman » Sat May 06, 2017 4:38 pm

My view, a pre-trib rapture, where Christ meets us in the air and takes us back to Heaven, then after that, Christ will return to the Earth with the armies of Heaven and the saints.


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Re: Can Christians disagree on the Second Coming???

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Sat May 06, 2017 5:19 pm

titus213 wrote:... I am not dispensational...

Titus213,

What are the main reasons why you are not dispensational?



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Re: The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

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Re: The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

Postby bibleman » Sat May 06, 2017 6:36 pm

branham1965 wrote:I looked this up on Wikipedia.

It says that there are 4 main views on the Second Coming in Christendom.

1. Post tribulational Pre Millennialism

2.Pre Tribulational (dispensational)Pre Millennialism

3.Post Millennialism

4. Amillennialism.

What do you think about these???


If you are talking about the Second Coming as is stated above then that would be number 1 - Post Tribulation and Premillennial. That is AFTER the Tribulation and BEFORE the Millennium


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Re: The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

Postby branham1965 » Sat May 06, 2017 8:06 pm

Thank you Reverend Bible for posting on this.



bibleman wrote:
branham1965 wrote:I looked this up on Wikipedia.

It says that there are 4 main views on the Second Coming in Christendom.

1. Post tribulational Pre Millennialism

2.Pre Tribulational (dispensational)Pre Millennialism

3.Post Millennialism

4. Amillennialism.

What do you think about these???


If you are talking about the Second Coming as is stated above then that would be number 1 - Post Tribulation and Premillennial. That is AFTER the Tribulation and BEFORE the Millennium
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Re: Can Christians disagree on the Second Coming???

Postby titus213 » Sat May 06, 2017 8:17 pm

I don't see any New Testament writer suggesting a dispensational approach to interpreting God's plan. Classic dispensationalism splits the one people of God and the one program of God into two separate plans and promises in the history of redemption. So for example in classic dispensationalism Israel's plan was salvation by works of the Law which they "rashly accepted" (Scofield Bible note at Exodus 12:1). The weakness of the dispensational concept is apparent (to me, anyhow) in the fact that dispensationalists themselves have disagreed over just how many dispensations there are in the history of God's dealings with man. Are there 5, 7, 9, 11? All of these have been suggested by dispensationalists.

For me the bottom line is that the New Testament itself, and Paul in particular, suggests a more consistent, unifying basis for connecting God's people in OT times and His people now as well as what's in store for the future. Paul refers to it several times, including when he's on trial for his life. That makes me think it was pretty important in his mind.

"And we preach to you the good news of the promise made to the fathers, that God has fulfilled this promise to our children" (Acts 13:32-33)

And now I am standing trial for the hope of the promise made by God to our fathers; the promise to which our twelve tribes hope to attain, as they earnestly serve God night and day. And for this hope, O King, I am being accused by Jews.(Acts 26:6-7)

Paul's not talking about promises in general, but the promise and how it was unfolded leading to partial fulfillment in Paul's day, and ultimate fulfillment in the future. He mentions it repeatedly in Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, and Hebrews. I just think this is a much better clue to understanding God's historical dealings with man than dispensations. It is a clue drawn from the Biblical text itself and it runs through the entire Bible without having to force a grid over the Bible to filter out what doesn't fit, as dispensationalism has to do.

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
titus213 wrote:... I am not dispensational...

Titus213,

What are the main reasons why you are not dispensational?



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Re: Can Christians disagree on the Second Coming???

Postby branham1965 » Sat May 06, 2017 8:36 pm

Thank you Pastor. :angel:

I put it up for you scholars to comment on it.I am no scholar for sure.

I was taught in my home Church = number 2.

In the Church of Christ i was taught = number 4.

Some of the heavy duty Dispensational Believers have told me on here that i was a confused dunce about these things because i reject their teachings on this and other things.

Some of them actually believe that the New Testament Church does not partake in observing the Lord's Supper or even in Christian Water Baptism for believing converted penitents. :shocked!: Matthew 28::18-20 .

That dispensational teaching is called HYPER - DISPENSATIONALISM. :neutral:


Reverend Dake NEVER taught that ....




titus213 wrote:I don't see any New Testament writer suggesting a dispensational approach to interpreting God's plan. Classic dispensationalism splits the one people of God and the one program of God into two separate plans and promises in the history of redemption. So for example in classic dispensationalism Israel's plan was salvation by works of the Law which they "rashly accepted" (Scofield Bible note at Exodus 12:1). The weakness of the dispensational concept is apparent (to me, anyhow) in the fact that dispensationalists themselves have disagreed over just how many dispensations there are in the history of God's dealings with man. Are there 5, 7, 9, 11? All of these have been suggested by dispensationalists.

For me the bottom line is that the New Testament itself, and Paul in particular, suggests a more consistent, unifying basis for connecting God's people in OT times and His people now as well as what's in store for the future. Paul refers to it several times, including when he's on trial for his life. That makes me think it was pretty important in his mind.

"And we preach to you the good news of the promise made to the fathers, that God has fulfilled this promise to our children" (Acts 13:32-33)

And now I am standing trial for the hope of the promise made by God to our fathers; the promise to which our twelve tribes hope to attain, as they earnestly serve God night and day. And for this hope, O King, I am being accused by Jews.(Acts 26:6-7)

Paul's not talking about promises in general, but the promise and how it was unfolded leading to partial fulfillment in Paul's day, and ultimate fulfillment in the future. He mentions it repeatedly in Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, and Hebrews. I just think this is a much better clue to understanding God's historical dealings with man than dispensations. It is a clue drawn from the Biblical text itself and it runs through the entire Bible without having to force a grid over the Bible to filter out what doesn't fit, as dispensationalism has to do.

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
titus213 wrote:... I am not dispensational...

Titus213,

What are the main reasons why you are not dispensational?



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Re: Can Christians disagree on the Second Coming???

Postby titus213 » Sun May 07, 2017 8:20 am

:angel:
Reverend Dake was a non-traditional dispensationalist
branham1965 wrote:Thank you Pastor. :angel:

I put it up for you scholars to comment on it.I am no scholar for sure.

I was taught in my home Church = number 2.

In the Church of Christ i was taught = number 4.

Some of the heavy duty Dispensational Believers have told me on here that i was a confused dunce about these things because i reject their teachings on this and other things.

Some of them actually believe that the New Testament Church does not partake in observing the Lord's Supper or even in Christian Water Baptism for believing converted :angel: penitents. :shocked!: Matthew 28::18-20 .

That dispensational teaching is called HYPER - DISPENSATIONALISM. :neutral:


Reverend Dake NEVER taught that ....




titus213 wrote:I don't see any New Testament writer suggesting a dispensational approach to interpreting God's plan. Classic dispensationalism splits the one people of God and the one program of God into two separate plans and promises in the history of redemption. So for example in classic dispensationalism Israel's plan was salvation by works of the Law which they "rashly accepted" (Scofield Bible note at Exodus 12:1). The weakness of the dispensational concept is apparent (to me, anyhow) in the fact that dispensationalists themselves have disagreed over just how many dispensations there are in the history of God's dealings with man. Are there 5, 7, 9, 11? All of these have been suggested by dispensationalists.

For me the bottom line is that the New Testament itself, and Paul in particular, suggests a more consistent, unifying basis for connecting God's people in OT times and His people now as well as what's in store for the future. Paul refers to it several times, including when he's on trial for his life. That makes me think it was pretty important in his mind.

"And we preach to you the good news of the promise made to the fathers, that God has fulfilled this promise to our children" (Acts 13:32-33)

And now I am standing trial for the hope of the promise made by God to our fathers; the promise to which our twelve tribes hope to attain, as they earnestly serve God night and day. And for this hope, O King, I am being accused by Jews.(Acts 26:6-7)

Paul's not talking about promises in general, but the promise and how it was unfolded leading to partial fulfillment in Paul's day, and ultimate fulfillment in the future. He mentions it repeatedly in Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, and Hebrews. I just think this is a much better clue to understanding God's historical dealings with man than dispensations. It is a clue drawn from the Biblical text itself and it runs through the entire Bible without having to force a grid over the Bible to filter out what doesn't fit, as dispensationalism has to do.

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
titus213 wrote:... I am not dispensational...

Titus213,

What are the main reasons why you are not dispensational?




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