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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Postby Ironman » Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:15 pm

Ironman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Ironman wrote:So what are the pillars resting on??

    Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
      Psalm 75:3 King James Version
        The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it. Selah.
    The Lord bears up the piilars of the earth. Ultimately, all things are upheld by the word of His power (Hebrews 11:3).
Ironman wrote:The Lord, sitting on His throne at the Fathers right hand has more to do than get under your flat earth and hold up pillars.

Hebrews 11: 3, Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

This Scripture teaches that the ages were planned by the Word of God and the things that are now seen were not made of existing material. Has nothing to do with the Lord holding up anything?

    Spiritblade Disciple wrote:Or, does it?

    Are you telling me that the Lord is incapable of holding up the pillars of the Flat Still Earth because He is so busy He couldn't be bothered with holding up the pillars, even though the Bible says that He bears up the pillars of the earth?

      Psalm 75:3 King James Version
        The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it. Selah.


Psalm 75: 3, The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it. Selah.

All creations are upheld by God "THROUGH" Christ (Hebrews 1:3) This Scripture teaches that all of creations including the sun, moon, stars, and all earths inhabitants are upheld and sustained by God. God through Christ is not under the flat earth physically holding up pillars.


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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:21 pm

Ironman wrote:So what are the pillars resting on??

    Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
      Psalm 75:3 King James Version
        The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it. Selah.
    The Lord bears up the piilars of the earth. Ultimately, all things are upheld by the word of His power (Hebrews 11:3).
Ironman wrote:The Lord, sitting on His throne at the Fathers right hand has more to do than get under your flat earth and hold up pillars.

Hebrews 11: 3, Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

This Scripture teaches that the ages were planned by the Word of God and the things that are now seen were not made of existing material. Has nothing to do with the Lord holding up anything?

    Spiritblade Disciple wrote:Or, does it?

    Are you telling me that the Lord is incapable of holding up the pillars of the Flat Still Earth because He is so busy He couldn't be bothered with holding up the pillars, even though the Bible says that He bears up the pillars of the earth?

      Psalm 75:3 King James Version
        The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it. Selah.

Ironman wrote:Psalm 75: 3, The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it. Selah.

All creations are upheld by God "THROUGH" Christ (Hebrews 1:3) This Scripture teaches that all of creations including the sun, moon, stars, and all earths inhabitants are upheld and sustained by God. God through Christ is not under the flat earth physically holding up pillars.

    Spiritblade Disciple wrote:Why would He have to be holding up physically? Isn't He powerful enough to do it non-physically?



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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Postby Ironman » Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:35 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Why would He have to be holding up physically? Isn't He powerful enough to do it non-physically?

God does not have to hold pillars up because there are no literal pillars holding up the earth. The Earth hangs on nothing.

The pillars of the earth are no different to Christ being a corner stone, a rock, or a door. Words of Scripture must agree with the content and the subject matter in the passages where found. No meaning to a word should be given to a word that would be in the least out of harmony with what's being discussed.
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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:41 pm

Ironman wrote:The pillars of the earth are no different to Christ being a corner stone, a rock, or a door. Words of Scripture must agree with the content and the subject matter in the passages where found. No meaning to a word should be given to a word that would be in the least out of harmony with what's being discussed.

Literal or not, the concept of the earth being set on pillars that are upheld by the Lord is definitely in harmony with what the Bible clearly teaches.

In your model, where the earth is globe-shaped, but stationary, what keeps it from falling?



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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:00 am

Ironman wrote:Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Why would He have to be holding up physically? Isn't He powerful enough to do it non-physically?

God does not have to hold pillars up because there are no literal pillars holding up the earth. The Earth hangs on nothing.

    Samuel 2:8 King James Version
      He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.

The Lord has set the world upon the pillars of the earth. This fact in no way contradicts the fact that the earth hangs on nothing or the fact that the Lord bears up the pillars of the earth.



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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Postby Ironman » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:08 am

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Ironman wrote:The pillars of the earth are no different to Christ being a corner stone, a rock, or a door. Words of Scripture must agree with the content and the subject matter in the passages where found. No meaning to a word should be given to a word that would be in the least out of harmony with what's being discussed.

Literal or not, the concept of the earth being set on pillars that are upheld by the Lord is definitely in harmony with what the Bible clearly teaches.

In your model, where the earth is globe-shaped, but stationary, what keeps it from falling?


What keep it from falling where? Up, down, east, west, where would it fall?


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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:54 pm

Ironman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:What keep it from falling where? Up, down, east, west, where would it fall?
I'm assuming that some force holds it stationary. And, you said that you believed in gravity.

So, if you believe in gravity, then you'd most likely agree that it would fall toward a more massive object. Whatever that may be. Right?

So, what keeps your stationary globe from falling?



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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Postby Ironman » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:50 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Ironman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:What keep it from falling where? Up, down, east, west, where would it fall?
I'm assuming that some force holds it stationary. And, you said that you believed in gravity.

So, if you believe in gravity, then you'd most likely agree that it would fall toward a more massive object. Whatever that may be. Right?

So, what keeps your stationary globe from falling?


Definitely not symbolic pillars :lol!:

I believe in gravity because nothing falls of the Earth. Every thing on the Earth is drawn to the earth. Like I said, jump out of a plane and see for yourself. I believe the "ROUND" Earth is the centre of the universe and everything we see around us is rotating around the Earth. I believe this because I cannot see why God would leave Heaven after renewing the Earth with fire, and establishing a New Heaven and a New Earth and bring His city to this Earth and make this His home and headquarters and His headquarters be some speck in the milky way galaxy rotating around the sun?

Again here are Sixty-Seven Scriptural References Which Tell Us That It Is the Sun And Not the Earth That Moves.

Can you show us even half, 33.5 Scriptures which proves the earth is flat or even 16.75? Maybe 8.75? :lol!:




Genesis 15:12...... "...and when the sun was going down..."

              15:17..... "...when the sun went down..."

              19:23..... "The sun was risen upon the earth."

              28:11..... "...because the sun was set...."

              32:31..... "...the sun rose...."

Exodus 17:12..... "...until the going down of the sun...."

             22:3...... "...if the sun be risen upon him...."

             22:26.... "...the sun goeth down...."

Leviticus 22:7...... "...And when the sun is down...."

Numbers 2:3........ "...toward the rising of the sun...."

Deuteronomy 11:30..... "...the way where the sun goeth down...."

                       16:6....... "...at the going down of the sun...."

                       23:11..... "...when the sun is down...."

                       24:13..... "...when the sun goeth down...."

                       24:15..... "...neither shall the sun go down...."

Joshua 1:4..... "...the going down of the sun...."

            8:29... "...as soon as the sun was down...."

          10:12.. "...Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon...."

          10:13.. "...and the sun stood still...."

          10:27.. "...the time of the going down of the sun...."

          12:1.... "...toward the rising of the sun...."

Judges 5:31.... "...as the sun when he goeth down...."

            8:13.... "...before the sun was up...."

            9:33.... "...as soon as the sun is up...."

          14:18.... "...before the sun went down...."

          19:14.... "...and the sun went down...."

II Samuel 2:24.... "...the sun went down...."

               3:35.... "...till the sun be down...."

             23:4..... "...when the sun riseth...."

I Kings 22:36.... "...the going down of the sun...."

I Chronicles 16:30.... "...the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved...."

II Chronicles 18:34.... "...time of the sun going down...."

Job 9:7.... "...commandeth the sun and it riseth not...."

Job 26:7.... "...He hangeth the earth upon nothing...."

Psalm 19:4.... "...tabernacle for the sun...."

           19:5 ... "...cometh out to run...."

           19:6.... "...goes forth in a circle from one end of heaven to the other...."

           50:1.... "...from the rising of the sun...."

           93:1.... "...the world also is stablished that it cannot be moved...."

         104:19.. "...the sun knoweth his going down...."

         104:22.. "...the sun ariseth...."

         113:3.... "...from the rising of the sun...."

Ecclesiastes 1:5.... "...The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down and hasteth to the place where he arose...."

Isaiah 13:10.... "...sun shall be darkened in his going...."

           38:8...... "...is gone down on the sundial of Ahaz...."

           38:8...... "...so the sun returned...."

           41:25.... "...from the rising of the sun...."

           45:6...... "...from the rising of the sun...."

          59:19.... "...from the rising of the sun...."

          60:20.... "...the sun shall no more go down...."

Jeremiah 15:9.... "...her sun is gone down while it was yet day...."

Daniel 6:14.... "...going down of the sun...."

Amos 8:9.... "...cause the sun to go down at noon...."

Jonah 4:8.... "...when the sun did arise...."

Micah 3:6.... "...and the sun shall go down...."

Nahum 3:17.... "...when the sun ariseth...."

Habakkuk 3:11.... "...the sun and moon stood still in their habitation...."

Malachi 1:11.... "...from the rising of the sun...."

Matthew 5:45.... "...for He maketh His sun to rise...."

             13:6..... "...and when the sun was up...."

Mark 1:32.... "...when the sun did set...."

         4:6...... "...when the sun was up...."

       16:2...... "...at the rising of the sun...."

Luke 4:40.... "...when the sun was setting...."

Ephesians 4:26.... "...let not the sun go down upon your wrath...."

James 1:11.... "...for the sun is no sooner risen...."


Have I become your enemy, because I tell you the truth.

I'll be a fool for truth's sake. Truth is fallen in the street. I wont pass it by. I'll pick it up and embrace it regardless of the costs.

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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:56 pm

Ironman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Ironman wrote:
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:What keep it from falling where? Up, down, east, west, where would it fall?
I'm assuming that some force holds it stationary. And, you said that you believed in gravity.

So, if you believe in gravity, then you'd most likely agree that it would fall toward a more massive object. Whatever that may be. Right?

So, what keeps your stationary globe from falling?


Definitely not symbolic pillars :lol!:

Well, you want to believe they're symbolic pillars. I don't take them as being symbolic.



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Re: IS THE EARTH FLAT???? KYRIE SAYS SO!!!

Postby Spiritblade Disciple » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:59 pm

Ironman wrote:I believe in gravity because nothing falls of the Earth. Every thing on the Earth is drawn to the earth. Like I said, jump out of a plane and see for yourself. I believe the "ROUND" Earth is the centre of the universe and everything we see around us is rotating around the Earth. I believe this because I cannot see why God would leave Heaven after renewing the Earth with fire, and establishing a New Heaven and a New Earth and bring His city to this Earth and make this His home and headquarters and His headquarters be some speck in the milky way galaxy rotating around the sun?

Do you believe that Earth is the most massive thing in the universe?

A true believer in gravity would have to believe that Earth is the most massive thing in the universe to believe that it is stationary and that the sun, moon, and stars all revolve around it. That would mean that Jupiter is actually much smaller than Earth. In fact, the planet Heaven would also have to be much smaller than Earth and revolving around the earth for Earth to remain stationary.

If you cannot accept that, then I cannot accept that you believe in gravity.




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