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DeafManHealing · Post by **DeafManHealing** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:12 pm

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Psalm 69 Dake Notes on Fasting ...

Fasting and Prayer-- The Cure for Unbelief
The disciples asked the Lord why they could not heal a lunatic boy. Jesus said, "Because of your unbelief... Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting" (Mt. 17:14- 21). Faith needs prayer for its development and full growth, and prayer needs fasting for the same reason. Fasting has done wonders when used in combination with prayer and faith. This is a Biblical doctrine.

To fast means to abstain from food-- that which caused the fall of man. Fasting humbles the soul before God (Ps. 35:13); chastens the soul (Ps. 69:10); and crucifies the appetites and denies them so as to give the entire time to prayer (2Sam. 12:16- 23 Mt. 4:1- 11). It manifests earnestness before God to the exclusion of all else (1Cor. 7:5); shows obedience; gives the digestive system a rest (Mt. 6:16- 18 9:15; Lk. 5:33); demonstrates the mastery of man over appetites; aids in victory over temptation; helps to attain power over demons; develops faith; crucifies unbelief; and aids in prayer (Mt. 4:1- 11 17:14- 21).

All believers are supposed to fast, but no regulations or set rules are given as to how long or how often. That is determined by individual desire and needs (Mt. 9:14- 15 1Cor. 7:5; Acts 13:1- 5). Men should fast when under chastening (2Sam. 12:16- 23); under judgment (1Kings 21:27); in need (Ezra 8:21); in danger (Esther 4); when worried (Dan. 6:18); in trouble (Acts 27:9, 33) in spiritual conflict (Mt. 4:1- 11); and when desperate in prayer (Acts 9).

Since fasting and prayer are so prominent in the Bible, modern Christians should do more of this until they receive power with God over all the powers of the devil. Many things about fasting and its benefits are not known to modern men, but those through the ages who have been men of great prayer have also fasted much.

DeafManHealing · Post by **DeafManHealing** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:17 am

My concern with fasting is that if I build up to say for example 3 days fasting then have a diabetic crisis. Should I try again or have someone who is a serious fasting warrior do this on my behalf ? I am not trying to have any un-belief or anything like that. What if it takes several tries before I am healed ?

Post by **bibleman** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:50 am

DeafManHealing wrote:My concern with fasting is that if I build up to say for example 3 days fasting then have a diabetic crisis. Should I try again or have someone who is a serious fasting warrior do this on my behalf ? I am not trying to have any un-belief or anything like that. What if it takes several tries before I am healed ?

Hey brother,

Concerning fasting and your health issues...

You need to speak with your Pastor and with your Doctor before considering a fast if you have health issues.

DeafManHealing · Post by **DeafManHealing** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:44 pm

Bibleman, I talked with my doctor and the pastor before starting a fasting.

The doctor said to keep a closer eye on my sugar levels. I can do up to a 3 day fasting.

Post by **bibleman** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:52 pm

DeafManHealing wrote:Bibleman, I talked with my doctor and the pastor before starting a fasting.

The doctor said to keep a closer eye on my sugar levels. I can do up to a 3 day fasting.

Sounds like wise counsel to me.

DeafManHealing · Post by **DeafManHealing** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:06 pm

Yes Bibleman, wise counsel indeed. I had asked about doing a fasting months ago and I am still not ready to do a fasting mainly because of the un-known. I have known nothing but being Deaf my whole life so if I do get healed for real then there would be some pretty big life changes.

Of course God would provide but still that is a pretty big leap of faith to do that. I have been in Deaf schools which is an insitution by itself and in adult Deaf life revolves around the Deaf schools & Deaf social events etc.

That would be a pretty big change for sure but compared to some people who are living under the shadow of life threatening illness. I do have asthma and diabetes but that is nothing compared to what another people must be suffering. I would love to be delievered from all these things but then again there are people worse off than me so I would want them to be healed too.

I guess in some ways I am used to putting people first before my own needs. I hope that does not sound wrong ? but there comes a time when I do need healing. I have trouble breathing at night and being diabetic really wears my body down so I am coming to that point where I want to do some fasting to get better and if God should decide, I get healed. That would be awesome and I would be shocked at the same time going from

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davido · Post by **davido** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:25 pm

In my formative years, it was the practice of Lutherans to
fast during the lenten period, but this I think has mostly
perished. Too, my catholic friends would fast on Fridays
from meat. It is a good practice, as it underlines our prayers.

As for me, I think the conviction of The Holy Spirit,
does prepare one for fasting of which wihtout the unction
of The Spirit I tend not to fast.
Franklin Hall's book concentrate on fasting, Derek Prince
has books on fasting and the reasons and benefits.
When I diet, I read the South Beach Diet and soon I'm
doing it. Reading good books on fasting help to put us
in the mindset of fasting or as with dieting, a better
diet.

The most important part of fasting is knowing how to
come out of a fast. If one fasts, 3 days or more, even
ten days when the stomach basically goes to sleep and
the hunger pangs stop, it is essential to take half
an orange in a glass of water to get the body
acclimated back to digestion. When you fast the bodies
energy will divert itself to healing the body, but be
cautious not to eat solids coming out of a fast.
Fasts do bring up our spiritual man and bring down
our carnal nature.

DeafManHealing · Post by **DeafManHealing** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:10 pm

Thank you David for the advice & sharing your experiences. I would have to google for what fruits & vegetables are easy on the stomach. Is there a reason for drinking half a glass cup of orange juice ?

Always thought it was going to be a banana & strawberry smoothie after breaking the fast ?

tomas555 · Post by **tomas555** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:40 am

This could be helpful.

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davido · Post by **davido** » Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:18 pm

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Thank you David for the advice & sharing your experiences. I would have to google for what fruits & vegetables are easy on the stomach. Is there a reason for drinking half a glass cup of orange juice ?

Thats only when you come out of a fast you squeeze a bit of orange juice in water.
Ending a fast, perhaps not a one day fast or two day, but an extended fast will
stop the hunger pangs and the stomach stops demanind food. The longer the
fast the more important is is to gently wake up your stomach.
People whom go on a long fast and just eat a meal can end up in the emergency room.

Always thought it was going to be a banana & strawberry smoothie after breaking the fast ?

A missionary that has the gifts working, and is a mightly missionary
yet today told me about Franklin Hall. He is not a cult, as He
states the gospel to its limits. This is the books I have and would
use getting into a fast. I don't like to fast, but when I diet
I read the South Beach Diet and its stories get me going, and
likewise, having the conviction to fast, I use Franklin Hall
cause its the best books on fasting. Also Derek Prince has
a book on fasting. You will find Franklin Hall had one book
on what to eat and when.
I don't know if all the prophecies of Frankin Hall, are or are not to be,
however fasting was Franklin Hall's basic ministry like none other.
Use common sense and gleam whatever is useful. Here are
some keyword/keylines for your web search.

When things get really desperate I pray, I get the annointing of The Spirit
to fast. I can't fast just by my own disclipline. I think much prayer
and meditation preceed a fast and actually in my cast I only fasted
three days. Thats quite an accomplisment, an underlining of your
prayers and it works. When you get the books, you'll see the
charts of how when you fast the carnal man dies and the spiritual
man rises up. His graphs/charts are very compelling to get oneself
indoctrinated into fasting. I would suggest you begin to fast
on a few days, then three of which more may not be necessary,
but beyond that you're on your own risk, but actually I think
three days is sufficient in most cases. I too have heknown of a man whom fasted a long time having cancer and he died.
It's between you and God your dialogue with God and in my case
I did something dangerous, I threw out a fleece, like Jacob and
gave God the choice of either canswering my prayer or taking
my life. Thats the ultimate, but God did abundently bless me
and His blessings just keep on coming. I would not suggest a fleece
cause it could backfire too. Nonetheless if one is determined
fasting will underline a prayer. I would like to fast again, but
I am weak and He is strong and I need The Spirit to lead me into
a fast. So, basically I diet using the South Beach Diet as I feel better
when I get too heavy you know.
Nonetheless fasting is humbling oneself unto God for His kind mercy
and not to be advertised as did the Pharasies. Franklin Hall's book
talk about that too. I would imagine Franklin Hall is now deceased
but his books as you can see continue to sell. They're a real treasure
in anyones library. I have them all.
As for me, the 30 day South Beach Diet is like fasting too, but
that has as a motive more to lose weight than to humble oneself
before God of which dieting would not bring the spritual results
as the motive is to lose weight, not to come before God.
Remember the fast of Daniel where he ate only vegetables and perhaps
fruit. This is a fast from meat. After being on the South Beach
Diet you lose a lot of weight, and you get hungry, very hungry
for what you can't eat on the diet. In essence it too humbles one.
The good thing too about a fast is the bodies energy used to
process food, can be used to heal the body. I've never fasted
an extended time, but don't think 3 days with just water is easy,
especially if you work 40 hours a week. I think when one fasts
for perhaps ten days, the body will heal itself in many instances.
I've never done that.
I'd get the 100 page book and the one on recipies.
They're the two most important and you get too the
news letter/booklet at some interval, but haven't received
them for years havng moved.I don't know if the Franklin
Hall ministry is still alive, but I would thnk it is.

Hope this helps and if you've a medical problems then
talk to your doctor. I'm in good health and only went on
a 3 day fast, drinking only water. It was tough for me.
You know when the stomach goes to sleep the hunger leaves
and for me, theres no object other than letting the body heal itself
which the bible says "When you fast" not "if you fast"
If every American would fast three days we'd get out of the
economic problems quick, right?

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