Hi Scott,scottae316 wrote:Hi Leon,bibleman wrote:Hi Scott,scottae316 wrote:Now this is a classic Dake Board debate. First, let's look at what Leon said, he is a proof texting person. Now twice Ed has given a definition that proof texting is taking (usually ripping) a verse or verses out of context that standing by themselves prove your point but actually is not what the Bible teaches. Let's do an easy example;
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again; Jesus from John 3:7. Now this proves reincarnation, you have to be born again, Jesus said it. WAIT!!! You say that is not what the verse is saying, it is talking about being born again of the spirit. AHHH! Proof texting, this is what it is.
Now Leon, you ignore the entire content of Ed's message and only "proof text" to make a counter point of a point that Ed did not make.
Now lets look at this exchange again here between Leon and Ed. Ed quotes James 4:3 and shows how many of the ministers that over-emphasis material prosperity use this verse. But it is a classic example of proof texting. Next Leon replies but ignores Ed's example of meeting physical needs and Leon goes on to list needs we have and a few things that make life easier and more pleasant. Now, please observe, no where did Ed say that we should not have these things, what Ed is clearly discussing is over emphasis of material prosperity and what boils down to greed and lust.Justaned wrote:
James 4:3 (NKJV)
3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.
If some one says God wants to prosper you and is speaking of physical prosperity rather than spiritual prosperity then they have to say so you can give it all away to feed the orphans. widows and poor.
God said clearly although scripture our prosperity is never given to feed the lusts of our flesh.
Now before you jump on me God did promise to provision us. And to provision is to supply or acquire what is needed for the journey God has set before us.
Think of a gold miner he came to town to buy his provisions, the things he would need to be able to sustain his quest. He didn't seek provision beyond what was needed for his task. Too many Christians seek provision beyond what is needed for their service to God.
Leon replied with:
Hi ed,
What is wrong with our flesh...
having food to eat?
clothes to wear?
a house to live in?
a car to drive?
a rest every 7 days?
a vacation every now and then?
Is this wrong?
Come on people, this is exactly what this board has become, two groups. One larger and one smaller, talking past each other and trying to one up the other. Is this really what you want? People reading meanings into posts that are not there or picking just to pick and one up? Really?? Okay, lets the stones fly, I don't care. It has and is ridiculous and while I am no expert on Dake, I would imagine that he would not take kindly to this in a board named in his memory.
I believe that the Bible is our proof of our doctrine and our faith.
And I will still use Scripture to support my beliefs.
And as to Dake taking kindly to this Board representing his views? I think that he would or else I would take it down. Dake had to fight against people who did not believe the Bible his whole life long, not just a few people dropping by a internet Bible Discussion Board but professors, preachers and so called scholars themselves. Still Dake would always us the Bible to PROVE his doctrine. I think I will do the same.
First, where did I say that the Bible is not the basis or proof for doctrine or faith? I have always said that we should use the Bible and base our beliefs on it not the interpretations of people like Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Hagin or Dake. Yes, we can read what those individual said about Scripture, but to base doctrine on something other than the Bible is wrong. Could you please point to where I said we should not use the Bible? Also, I never said one should not use the Bible to support ones beliefs, again can you show where I said that? Finally, if you would have actually read what I said instead of proof-texting, I never said that Dake would not use the Bible. What I clearly said was that Dake would not approve of the constant bickering, picking, and pulling out of context of what people say. Now if you think that Dake approved of Christians bickering, picking and pulling out of context what people say to make their point or one up someone could you please provide a reference for this from something written by Dake as I have a hard time believing that Dake would have done that?
If you think Dake would not approve of bickering... then stop doing it! (smile)
Love you brother!