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[Justaned]

Justaned. You wrote;

"Since scripture never mentions rapture nor hints of it."

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I believe all these Scriptures give much more than a hint that the saints will be taken out of the world by Jesus Christ Himself before not yet arrived, but the coming tribulation!

The rapture is a distinct event in itself and takes place at least seven years before the second coming of christ. The rapture takes place before the tribulation, and the second coming after the tribulation. The rapture is the time when Christ comes FOR the saints (1 Thess. 4:13-17), and the second coming is when He comes back to the Earth WITH them (Zech. 14:1-5; Jude 14; Rev. 19:11-21). At the rapture, Christ takes the saints to heaven (1 Thess. 3:13; 4:16; Col. 3:4), and at the second coming He Leaves Heaven with them (Rev. 19 11-21). At the rapture Christ does not come to Earth (1 thess.4:16) but at the second coming He does (Zech.14:14; Matt. 24:29-31). Since Christ does not come to earth at the rapture, it cannot be called the second coming of Christ.

The rapture must and does take place before the fulfilment of Rev. 4-22, which describes the tribulation period and the Millennium and the New Earth after the Millennium. According to 2 Thess. 2:7-8 it is stated that "the Hinderer of lawlessness will be taken out of the way," "And Then shall the wicked be revealed" and since the wicked is here for the last seven years of this age, according to Dan. 9:27, the hinderer must be removed before the Antichrist comes and before the tribulation that he will cause when he comes. The hinderer refered to in 2 thess 2:7-8 is the church, and also that the Antichrist cannot possibly be revealed until after the church us taken out of the way. Now comes the question of whether the Antichrist will be revealed at the beginning or at the middle of the Week, then it can also be proved that the church is raptured before the beginning and not the middle of the Week as the manchild. In Dan. 9:27 we have one indisputable argument that he is revealed at the beginning of the Week, for he makes a covenant for seven years with Israel and not for three and one half years. The breaking of the covenant in the middle of the Week is not a revelation of him on the scene of action, but an unfolding of what he is to do in the middle of the Week, three and one half years after his revelation. This passage gives one of the scriptural marks by which we may know who the Antichrist is and when he is to be revealed. If the church is raptured in the middle of the Week there would be a definite time set for the rapture and we should quit looking for the rapture at any other time and look for the events which mark the appearance of the seventieth Week. But if the Church goes through the terrible events of the seals and trumpets, then the promise of Jesus that true believers shall "escape all these things" is contradicted and Paul's teaching that the church is caught up before the revelation of the Antichrist is also contradicted, for the Antichrist is here three and one half years before the middle of the Week. Therefore, once we understand that the church can be raptured any day and that there is no definite time set for that event, then we can conscientiously teach others that they should be ready for the rapture at any and all times. In Thess. 5:1-11 we have another definite promise assuring us that the saints will escape the wrath which precedes the day of the Lord. "God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation [deliverance from this wrath] by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him." The second advent marks the beginning of the day of the Lord. This wrath is revealed in Matt. 24-25; luke 21; Rev. 6:1-19:21 and is to be fulfilled during the Seventieth Week. If the saints escape this wrath, the church must be raptured before the Week or in Rev. 4:1. Prophetical date Setting (Matt. 24:36-25:46) It is definitely stated and illustrated in these verses that no man will know the day or the hour of the second coming of Christ to the Earth. All we may know is "the times and seasons" which prove the nearness of the second advent (1 Thess. 5:1-9). To keep His disciples from speculating as to the day and hour of His coming, Christ gives a comparison showing a similarity between the days of Noah and the days just before His coming and states that men before the flood "knew not untill the flood came and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be" (Matt. 24:37-39; 1 Thess. 5:1-3; Jude 14.

Ironman
Let us just look at what you said here

The rapture is a distinct event in itself and takes place at least seven years before the second coming of christ. The rapture takes place before the tribulation, and the second coming after the tribulation. The rapture is the time when Christ comes FOR the saints (1 Thess. 4:13-17), and the second coming is when He comes back to the Earth WITH them (Zech. 14:1-5; Jude 14; Rev. 19:11-21).

There is nothing in scripture that remotely suggests any of that. The event of 1 Thess 4:13-17 does not specify any time other than the fact that Paul is talking of Jesus second coming. So for you to make this an event separate to Jesus' second coming does violence to what is actually said.

Secondly there is nothing that suggests the Rapture if there is a one would occur before the Tribulation or that the Tribulation is 7 years long. Nothing gives the length of the tribulation and no where is there any indication that the church will be removed before it happens.

You agree the saints will return to earth with Jesus okay why can't Jesus on his approach to earth catch up the saints, convert their mortal bodies to perfect bodies and continue to come to earth in his second coming. Absolutely nothing written anywhere is scripture prevents such occurance.

[titus213]

When Jesus said this there were only Jews and Gentiles.And you make my argument there is nothing about the church here at all so why use it as proof that the church is raptured? Which is exactly what you did and why I mentioned it in my rebuttal.

I don't use it as proof the church is raptured. The portion of the Olivet Discourse reported in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 are not about the Church, and don't mention the rapture. They are about the Jews, the Tribulation, and the Second Coming of Christ.

The literal reading of Rev20:2 would a long time or thousands of years.

No, it would not be that. None of the standard Bible translations translate it that way, even the ones that were done mostly by people who are not premillennial. They don't even suggest it as an alternate translation!

That is literal reading.

No, it isn't. You are simply wrong about this.

[Justaned]

When Jesus said this there were only Jews and Gentiles.And you make my argument there is nothing about the church here at all so why use it as proof that the church is raptured? Which is exactly what you did and why I mentioned it in my rebuttal.

I don't use it as proof the church is raptured. The portion of the Olivet Discourse reported in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 are not about the Church, and don't mention the rapture. They are about the Jews, the Tribulation, and the Second Coming of Christ. The literal reading of Rev20:2 would a long time or thousands of years.

No, it would not be that. None of the standard Bible translations translate it that way, even the ones that were done mostly by people who are not premillennial. They don't even suggest it as an alternate translation!

Would not sell many bibles if they did. However time will tell.

[That is literal reading.

No, it isn't. You are simply wrong about this.

I don't see how you can deny you are applying understandings that simply aren't suggestted by scripture to your interpretation of eschatology scripture.
But you are so I guess there is not point in discussing this further with you is there?

[Ironman]

Justaned. You wrote;

"Since scripture never mentions rapture nor hints of it."

.

I believe all these Scriptures give much more than a hint that the saints will be taken out of the world by Jesus Christ Himself before not yet arrived, but the coming tribulation!

The rapture is a distinct event in itself and takes place at least seven years before the second coming of christ. The rapture takes place before the tribulation, and the second coming after the tribulation. The rapture is the time when Christ comes FOR the saints (1 Thess. 4:13-17), and the second coming is when He comes back to the Earth WITH them (Zech. 14:1-5; Jude 14; Rev. 19:11-21). At the rapture, Christ takes the saints to heaven (1 Thess. 3:13; 4:16; Col. 3:4), and at the second coming He Leaves Heaven with them (Rev. 19 11-21). At the rapture Christ does not come to Earth (1 thess.4:16) but at the second coming He does (Zech.14:14; Matt. 24:29-31). Since Christ does not come to earth at the rapture, it cannot be called the second coming of Christ.

The rapture must and does take place before the fulfilment of Rev. 4-22, which describes the tribulation period and the Millennium and the New Earth after the Millennium. According to 2 Thess. 2:7-8 it is stated that "the Hinderer of lawlessness will be taken out of the way," "And Then shall the wicked be revealed" and since the wicked is here for the last seven years of this age, according to Dan. 9:27, the hinderer must be removed before the Antichrist comes and before the tribulation that he will cause when he comes. The hinderer refered to in 2 thess 2:7-8 is the church, and also that the Antichrist cannot possibly be revealed until after the church us taken out of the way. Now comes the question of whether the Antichrist will be revealed at the beginning or at the middle of the Week, then it can also be proved that the church is raptured before the beginning and not the middle of the Week as the manchild. In Dan. 9:27 we have one indisputable argument that he is revealed at the beginning of the Week, for he makes a covenant for seven years with Israel and not for three and one half years. The breaking of the covenant in the middle of the Week is not a revelation of him on the scene of action, but an unfolding of what he is to do in the middle of the Week, three and one half years after his revelation. This passage gives one of the scriptural marks by which we may know who the Antichrist is and when he is to be revealed. If the church is raptured in the middle of the Week there would be a definite time set for the rapture and we should quit looking for the rapture at any other time and look for the events which mark the appearance of the seventieth Week. But if the Church goes through the terrible events of the seals and trumpets, then the promise of Jesus that true believers shall "escape all these things" is contradicted and Paul's teaching that the church is caught up before the revelation of the Antichrist is also contradicted, for the Antichrist is here three and one half years before the middle of the Week. Therefore, once we understand that the church can be raptured any day and that there is no definite time set for that event, then we can conscientiously teach others that they should be ready for the rapture at any and all times. In Thess. 5:1-11 we have another definite promise assuring us that the saints will escape the wrath which precedes the day of the Lord. "God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation [deliverance from this wrath] by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him." The second advent marks the beginning of the day of the Lord. This wrath is revealed in Matt. 24-25; luke 21; Rev. 6:1-19:21 and is to be fulfilled during the Seventieth Week. If the saints escape this wrath, the church must be raptured before the Week or in Rev. 4:1. Prophetical date Setting (Matt. 24:36-25:46) It is definitely stated and illustrated in these verses that no man will know the day or the hour of the second coming of Christ to the Earth. All we may know is "the times and seasons" which prove the nearness of the second advent (1 Thess. 5:1-9). To keep His disciples from speculating as to the day and hour of His coming, Christ gives a comparison showing a similarity between the days of Noah and the days just before His coming and states that men before the flood "knew not untill the flood came and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be" (Matt. 24:37-39; 1 Thess. 5:1-3; Jude 14.

Ironman
Let us just look at what you said here

The rapture is a distinct event in itself and takes place at least seven years before the second coming of christ. The rapture takes place before the tribulation, and the second coming after the tribulation. The rapture is the time when Christ comes FOR the saints (1 Thess. 4:13-17), and the second coming is when He comes back to the Earth WITH them (Zech. 14:1-5; Jude 14; Rev. 19:11-21).

There is nothing in scripture that remotely suggests any of that. The event of 1 Thess 4:13-17 does not specify any time other than the fact that Paul is talking of Jesus second coming. So for you to make this an event separate to Jesus' second coming does violence to what is actually said.

Secondly there is nothing that suggests the Rapture if there is a one would occur before the Tribulation or that the Tribulation is 7 years long. Nothing gives the length of the tribulation and no where is there any indication that the church will be removed before it happens.

You agree the saints will return to earth with Jesus okay why can't Jesus on his approach to earth catch up the saints, convert their mortal bodies to perfect bodies and continue to come to earth in his second coming. Absolutely nothing written anywhere is scripture prevents such occurance.

Hint 1. Rapture.

"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." (1 Thess. 4:13-17).

Hint 2. Second coming.

"Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee." (Zech. 14:1-5),

"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints," (Jude 1:14),

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh."Rev. 19: 11-21).

At the rapture, Christ takes the saints to heaven (1 Thess. 3:13; 4:16; Col. 3:4),

"To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints." (1 Thess. 3;13), "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:" (1 Thess 4;16), "When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory." (Coll. 3:4).

At the second coming He Leaves Heaven with them!

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh."Rev. 19: 11-21).

At the rapture Christ does not come to Earth.

" For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:" (1 Thess.4:16).

At the second coming He does,

"And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance."(Zech.14:14).

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." (Matt. 24:29-31).

[Justaned]

The marriage supper of the Lamb, Rev. 19:7-10 occurs just before the Lord's return, Rev. 19:11.

So, Ed, how you gonna get there??

Dolph
Keep reading the eating doesn't start until the Heavens open and Jesus upon the white horse leads the saints into battle.

The heavens open like in catching up the of saints to be with Jesus as he returns? YOu think?

[Bible Basics]

As for your Greek let us say this topic has been discussed endlessly and the word used in the Greek is better translated a long period of time rather than a specific period of time.

Do you know Greek? I suspect you don't, since the there isn't a single Greek word being used.
The Greek WORDS are "a thousand years" -- chilioi etos. Those two words are no better translated "a long period of time" in Greek, than they are in Englilsh.

So please don't suggest I do no take scripture literal unless you are prepared to show me in scripture the word Rapture

The word "rapture" is just the English way of expressing the Latin rapiemur, and it is found in the Latin translation (the Vulgate) in 1 Thess. 4:17 right here:

"deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur * illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper * Domino erimus"

In our common English Bibles, that word is usually translated "caught up". So the tired old claim that the word "rapture" isn't in the Bible is totally bogus. It's a Latin word, found in the Latin Bible, describing the rapture in the passage we all connect with the rapture doctrine. English translators simply preferred expressing it as "caught up".

. . . and where it says Daniel 70th week is the time line for the Tribulation

Matthew 24:15ff.
WHEN ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, SPOKEN OF BY DANIEL THE PROPHET, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

ForTHEN SHALL BE GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

And EXCEPT THOSE DAYS SHOULD BE SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake THOSE DAYS SHALL BE SHORTENED.

Thank you, Mr. Fisher. I found this post very helpful.

[Justaned]

The marriage supper of the Lamb, Rev. 19:7-10 occurs just before the Lord's return, Rev. 19:11.

So, Ed, how you gonna get there??

Dolph
Keep reading the eating doesn't start until the Heavens open and Jesus upon the white horse leads the saints into battle.

The heavens open like in catching up the of saints to be with Jesus as he returns? YOu think?

OOOOHHHH, I get it. It's not a formal banquet/ceremony type thing, more like a box lunch for the Battle of Armageddon!!??!!

Dolph
I really don't know what to say other than to say go back and read it again. When you mentioned the Marriage Dinner I thought maybe you were on to something but I went back and read the account and you know it really didn't say about anyone sitting down to eat. In fact on first blush it all most seems like the marriage supper and the carnage meal are one in the same. I have to study that some more.

In the past I have always read it as you probably do as two events but actually I saw today there is no real separation there. You probably don't believe me but read it yourself trying to see it without any preconceived notions.

Here to see what I am saying I copied the passage and took out all the verse Refs and ran the text together. Read it and tell what you see.

Revelation 19:7-21 (NKJV)
Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready." And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!' " And he said to me, "These are the true sayings of God." And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, "Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great." And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

I see the announcement of the supper but I don't see any mention of anyone eating until the last sentence where the birds were filled with their flesh.

[tomas555]

Hey guys, this discussion captured my attention. They are right in some points e.g. Christians sleeping in their country clubs. Also covers the current blindness of population. Enjoy.

[video][/video]

[Justaned]

The marriage supper of the Lamb, Rev. 19:7-10 occurs just before the Lord's return, Rev. 19:11.

So, Ed, how you gonna get there??

Dolph
Keep reading the eating doesn't start until the Heavens open and Jesus upon the white horse leads the saints into battle.

The heavens open like in catching up the of saints to be with Jesus as he returns? YOu think?

OOOOHHHH, I get it. It's not a formal banquet/ceremony type thing, more like a box lunch for the Battle of Armageddon!!??!!

Dolph
I really don't know what to say other than to say go back and read it again. When you mentioned the Marriage Dinner I thought maybe you were on to something but I went back and read the account and you know it really didn't say about anyone sitting down to eat. In fact on first blush it all most seems like the marriage supper and the carnage meal are one in the same. I have to study that some more.

In the past I have always read it as you probably do as two events but actually I saw today there is no real separation there. You probably don't believe me but read it yourself trying to see it without any preconceived notions.

Here to see what I am saying I copied the passage and took out all the verse Refs and ran the text together. Read it and tell what you see.

Revelation 19:7-21 (NKJV)
Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready." And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!' " And he said to me, "These are the true sayings of God." And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, "Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great." And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

I see the announcement of the supper but I don't see any mention of anyone eating until the last sentence where the birds were filled with their flesh.[/quote


So, Ed, we will be "arrayed in fine linen" for the battle of Armageddon?

Dolph
Read just the words and don't impose any teaching or ideas that aren't found there. It talks of a banquet but switches to a picture of devastation and the eating we see done is by vultures as being a banquet.

[Justaned]

So, Ed, we're gonna grab a box lunch while arrayed in our linen garments and fight the Battle of Armageddon?

Dolph
I don't know but I know what I always thought was in scripture is not there.
Like I said read this passage and see if you can find where we sit down and eat.