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Re: Speaking In Tongues At Will

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Ray wrote:Justaned,

Above in your post you wrote "I think the gulf between us is further widened by how we view "Baptism or the Holy Spirit". I believe you probably believe it is an addition in our spiritual walk. I view it as something that was there from salvation that we learn to yield to.

In this post where you wrote "Baptism or the Holy Spirit" did you intend to
write "Baptism OF the Holy Spirit" If so I totally agree with you that one who
is filled with The SPIRIT (Accepts Salvation) Is in Fact Baptized in The HOLY SPIRIT though the evidene as some think it to be may not be manifested at the first, yet The Manisfestation Of The SPIRIT produces fruit as the Sanctification Process takes root in that Child Of GOD'S life.
yes I did mean of and I think we agree on how the Holy Spirit works in the life of a believer



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Re: Speaking In Tongues At Will

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I don't look to speaking in tongues to produce the results of other gifts (like faith, miracles, or healings). Tongues are for communication with God (or sometimes with the local church, if interpretted). The other gifts are for what they are for. Confusing the purpose of one with another can only result in confusion, in my opinion.
I agree that much confusion comes from misunderstanding the difference between the Gift of Tongues (needing interpretation) being operated in the church assembly compared to the prayer language. In dealing with non-pentecostal people who have come into the church... once explaining 1st Cor. 14 etc... they usually become accepting and understanding of it.



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DAKE'S ANNOTATED REFERENCE BIBLE ....
ON ACTS 2 VERSE 4 ..."THIS WAS SIMILAR TO THE SPIRIT SPEAKING THROUGH THE PROPHETS IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE. ACTS 3:21,HEBREWS 1:1-2 ONLY HERE IT WAS WITH DIFFERENT LANGUAGES V4,6,11.THOUGH SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS DONE THROUGH IMMEDIATE INSPIRATION BY NEW RECIPIENTS WHEN ONE HAS RECIEVED THE GIFT,IT THEN BECOMES A PART OF HIS MENTAL MAKE-UP SO THAT HE CAN ,IF HE DESIRES TO DO SO ,EXERCISE IT WITHOUT DIRECT INSPIRATION, EVEN IN A BACKSLIDDEN CONDITION 1 COR 13:1-3 THIS IS WHY THE EXERCISE OF VOCAL GIFTS OF PROPHECY,TONGUES AND INTERPRETATION OF TONGUES IS COMMANDED TO BE REGULATED AND EVEN JUDGED AS TO WHETHER IT BE UNDER DIRECT INSPIRATION OR WHETHER THE PERSON IS EXERCISING A GIFT OF HIMSELF.1 COR 14:29-33.

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Re: Speaking In Tongues At Will

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I''m listening to Derek Prince's tape on the expression of the gifts
in the congragation. He notices people dancing routinely about.
I identify with his perception. WE can become bound to a tradition
like dancing or perhaps even speaking in tongues when it is no
longer liberty of The Spirit but bondage.
Even Spirit filled groups can act out something.
As for me, I have read all these scriptures, but I find myself
all my life with wife, kids who ask me about this thing I do
without thinking about it. I just do it, but actually at
the H.S. conference I was comfortable with it, but I don't
think the Spirit wants me to put on an act. I'm not condeming
people whom feel comfortable in the congregation, even rasing
hands, but we're all different and I think above all else
being in love with God is devine and when The Spirit wants
to operate, does He ever and then theres times I quench for
The Spirit. I think much is out of our control, because you
see its not all intellectual, but although I know my bible
well, I'm just a dummy compared to The Acts of The Holy Spirit.
I do know He is present when there is libery for Him to operate.
Churches that restrict tongues to the basement or certain
nights is not for me. Anyway, I've never found a really
Spirit filled church, like even retired pentecostal ministers,
they too are perplexed by the rules churchs set and how
they restirct the operation of the Holy Spirit.
Thats my view. And, I see nothing in my paragrahph that is not
straight forward to understand.
I do not see why speaking in tongues should seperate a couple.
My wife is Roman Catholica and I was raised Lutheran,
but you see we both love and obey God and we get along just fine
now for 20 years. I feel Christ church is all under Christ, and
I do not include cults. I think too I watch television church
and they talk about the old testaments tithing and still endorse
that, however Jesus abolished that and in Hebrews we have a new
priest, so I've little to do with false doctrines.
If you really belive in God, Jesus Christ, The Holy Spirit
and if you're led to give by The Spirit as to whom and how
much, nothing can beat that.
Thats 4 aces.



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Re: Speaking In Tongues At Will

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Did the late great Derek Prince teach tithing????? :|

davido wrote:I''m listening to Derek Prince's tape on the expression of the gifts
in the congragation. He notices people dancing routinely about.
I identify with his perception. WE can become bound to a tradition
like dancing or perhaps even speaking in tongues when it is no
longer liberty of The Spirit but bondage.
Even Spirit filled groups can act out something.
As for me, I have read all these scriptures, but I find myself
all my life with wife, kids who ask me about this thing I do
without thinking about it. I just do it, but actually at
the H.S. conference I was comfortable with it, but I don't
think the Spirit wants me to put on an act. I'm not condeming
people whom feel comfortable in the congregation, even rasing
hands, but we're all different and I think above all else
being in love with God is devine and when The Spirit wants
to operate, does He ever and then theres times I quench for
The Spirit. I think much is out of our control, because you
see its not all intellectual, but although I know my bible
well, I'm just a dummy compared to The Acts of The Holy Spirit.
I do know He is present when there is libery for Him to operate.
Churches that restrict tongues to the basement or certain
nights is not for me. Anyway, I've never found a really
Spirit filled church, like even retired pentecostal ministers,
they too are perplexed by the rules churchs set and how
they restirct the operation of the Holy Spirit.
Thats my view. And, I see nothing in my paragrahph that is not
straight forward to understand.
I do not see why speaking in tongues should seperate a couple.
My wife is Roman Catholica and I was raised Lutheran,
but you see we both love and obey God and we get along just fine
now for 20 years. I feel Christ church is all under Christ, and
I do not include cults. I think too I watch television church
and they talk about the old testaments tithing and still endorse
that, however Jesus abolished that and in Hebrews we have a new
priest, so I've little to do with false doctrines.
If you really belive in God, Jesus Christ, The Holy Spirit
and if you're led to give by The Spirit as to whom and how
much, nothing can beat that.
Thats 4 aces.



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Re: Speaking In Tongues At Will

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I still say if the human initiates the speaking in tongues then it isn't the Holy Spirit it is the human that initiated it. And that is the problem with a high percentage of the manifestations of tongues in the church today.
The Holy Spirit didn't initiate it to begin with.

It may be a prayer language, it may be a counterfeit or it could be a learned utterance but unless it is initiated by the Holy Spirit it isn't of the Holy Spirit

So the answer to the question "can you speak in tongues at will?" Is no!
Yes you can refuse to be used but you can not initiate something the Holy Spirit has not first initiated and have it be genuine.

To suggest that we can initiate a genuine manifestation is to say we control the Holy Spirit and tell HIm what to do.



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Derek Prince was as perfect in reading the scriptures and would never
take part in false teaching as encouraging tithing. Neither have
any mainline denominations ever taught tithing such as the
Lutheran chruch, Methodist church or the Assembly of God churches
I've attended. these denominations are a step ahead of truth
than those that are loose with their omitting essential scriptures.
One must know many deliberatly overlook what they don't like
in the scriptures, but this is error.

Did the late great Derek Prince teach tithing?????

Derek Prince was perhaps the best bible teacher period. What is says their can be no doubt it is
absolutely accurate.
I do not recall Derek every pressing for donations,
but rather he spoke at groups where he was in
great demand. His ethics were uncomprimising,
and he wrote many books, and tapes. Derek
was led of The Lord and said once how God
did him exceeding well. Derek didn't need to
ask for even contrubution save perhaps requesting
people to help for projects. In my opinion Derek
Prince was the greatest bible teacher alive during
his time. I cannot refute either Kenneth Copeland,
however Derek delved into a host of subjects,
being a bible teacher primarily. His teachings
are still available on video via the computer.
Derek would never have endorsed tithing as
he was absolutely scripitual. If you've ever any
questions about the absolute authenticity of
a bible subject, he is without doubt the most
accuate, having really gone deep into the word
revealing nothing but the absolute truth.
You must listen to Derek to comprehend his
strict adherance to the word of God. Derek
would not bend the truth for his own gain,
and I've listened to most of Dereks tapes since
1975 and read his books. I would neither fault
Dake as Dake was impeckably linked to truth.
Many of the evangilists that teach tithing have
a double standard. I find they will omit truth and
preach the truths they select. Basically Derek
didn't worry about money, as He was the Lords
servent as was his wife. One must read his
lifes story to comprehend how committed he
was to Jesus Christ. With his educational
accomplishments it would be out of character
for Derek to be anything but the best role model.
Read Dereks life story and listen to his audio's
and you'll understand Derek was absolutely
scripitual in every detail not having any tradition
that would alter the truth of the gospel.



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Re: Speaking In Tongues At Will

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DEREK PRINCE
WAS A GREAT MAN.
IM CERTAIN HE TAUGHT TITHING.
IF A PERSON FIGHTS TITHING THEY ARE
BEING DISOBEDIENT TO GODS WORD.
ITS ONE OF THE UTTER JOYS OF LIFE TO TITHE UNTO THE LORD.

davido wrote:Derek Prince was as perfect in reading the scriptures and would never
take part in false teaching as encouraging tithing. Neither have
any mainline denominations ever taught tithing such as the
Lutheran chruch, Methodist church or the Assembly of God churches
I've attended. these denominations are a step ahead of truth
than those that are loose with their omitting essential scriptures.
One must know many deliberatly overlook what they don't like
in the scriptures, but this is error.

Did the late great Derek Prince teach tithing?????

Derek Prince was perhaps the best bible teacher period. What is says their can be no doubt it is
absolutely accurate.
I do not recall Derek every pressing for donations,
but rather he spoke at groups where he was in
great demand. His ethics were uncomprimising,
and he wrote many books, and tapes. Derek
was led of The Lord and said once how God
did him exceeding well. Derek didn't need to
ask for even contrubution save perhaps requesting
people to help for projects. In my opinion Derek
Prince was the greatest bible teacher alive during
his time. I cannot refute either Kenneth Copeland,
however Derek delved into a host of subjects,
being a bible teacher primarily. His teachings
are still available on video via the computer.
Derek would never have endorsed tithing as
he was absolutely scripitual. If you've ever any
questions about the absolute authenticity of
a bible subject, he is without doubt the most
accuate, having really gone deep into the word
revealing nothing but the absolute truth.
You must listen to Derek to comprehend his
strict adherance to the word of God. Derek
would not bend the truth for his own gain,
and I've listened to most of Dereks tapes since
1975 and read his books. I would neither fault
Dake as Dake was impeckably linked to truth.
Many of the evangilists that teach tithing have
a double standard. I find they will omit truth and
preach the truths they select. Basically Derek
didn't worry about money, as He was the Lords
servent as was his wife. One must read his
lifes story to comprehend how committed he
was to Jesus Christ. With his educational
accomplishments it would be out of character
for Derek to be anything but the best role model.
Read Dereks life story and listen to his audio's
and you'll understand Derek was absolutely
scripitual in every detail not having any tradition
that would alter the truth of the gospel.



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