Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Speaking In Tongues At Will

[branham1965]

This is a controversial subject .Does anyone have any thoughts on this??

[frenchie]

Hello!

I speak in tongues at will in my "prayer closet" in a prayer meeting where everybody is "pentecostal" i see no problem alterning tongues and french or english. If it is an interdenominational prayer meeting, i will abstain to go in tongues to loudly not to offend fellow beleivers.
The gifts of tongues and interpretation to deliver messages to the church had never been manifested in my case,i know that it could possibly hapen but it seems that this gift is not predominately manifested in my life.
Here what i found from Dr.Dake, it reflect the way i was taught in my church:

Sixteen Contrasts of Tongues and Prophecy
1. Tongues are spoken to God; prophecy is spoken to teach people (1 Cor. 14:2-3).
2. Mysteries or things not understood are spoken in tongues; all things spoken in prophecy are clear (1 Cor. 14:3-4).
3. Tongues edify the speaker; prophecy edifies the speaker and others (1 Cor. 14:3-4).
4. Tongues enable one to commune with God; prophecy speaks to people to edification, exhortation, and comfort (1 Cor. 14:2-4).
5. The prophet is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless the tongues are interpreted and understood (1 Cor. 14:5).
6. Tongues are no profit to the public unless interpreted; all prophecy is profitable to the public (1 Cor. 14:5-13,27-28).
7. The speaker in tongues must pray for the interpretation; the prophet need not, for his message is in his own tongue (1 Cor. 14:3-13).
8. Tongues make one a barbarian to others; prophecy does not (1 Cor. 14:3,11).
9. In all gifts the main purpose is to excel in edifying the church (1 Cor. 14:12). In this, prophecy is greater than tongues (1 Cor. 14:1-6,27-28).
10. The human spirit of the speaker is the thing edified by tongues; prophecy benefits all people (1 Cor. 14:1-5,14-15,24-25).
11. Tongues are a great personal blessing, but 5 words of prophecy are more important in public services than 10,000 words in tongues (1 Cor. 14:17-19).
12. Tongues are a sign to unbelievers; prophecy to believers (1 Cor. 14:21-22).
13. All speaking in tongues at once causes mockery by the unsaved whereas with prophesying the unsaved are convicted of sin (1 Cor. 14:23-25).
14. Every gift must be used to edify the church (1 Cor. 14:26). Prophecies do this better (1 Cor. 14:1-5,23-25).
15. Only one message is allowed in a church service if not interpreted; three messages in prophecy are allowed (1 Cor. 14:3,27-31).
16. Three messages in tongues are allowed in any church service if they are interpreted. This many messages in prophecy are always allowed (1 Cor. 14:27-32).

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[branham1965]

thanks frenchie.i appreciate yoor very kind response.thank you.

i dont believe im expressing myself properly.have you ever heard up there in Pentecost that we are not to speak in tongues until Unctioned...whether in private or public...

[frenchie]

thanks frenchie.i appreciate yoor very kind response.thank you.

i dont believe im expressing myself properly.have you ever heard up there in Pentecost that we are not to speak in tongues until Unctioned...whether in private or public...

It is not the way i was taught, i control when i start and when i stop, i am the speaker. It must be different for a message in tongues or a prophesy to the edification of the church. Sometimes in my church someone was asked to take a brake because the pastor, elders(or many fellow beleivers) discerned that this particular individual was'nt realy manifesting the gift of tongues or prophecy but simply expressing something he has at hearth or his own toughts for example.
I think that the key is to differientiate praying in tongues and the gift of tongues with interpretation. Same tongues but two different things.
I hope this make sense,i'm not realy a teacher,feel free to correct me if need be...

[brodave]

1Cor. 14:14 I WILL pray with the spirit,and I WILL pray with understanding.

1Cor. 14:18 I think my God I SPEAK with tongues more than all of you.

1Cor. 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets

Paul said in verse 14 I WILL ,it is the one praying that will's to pray in tongues or in his language .Do you you wait for the Spirit to prompt to pray in english<

In verse 18 Paul said I pray in tongues more than any of you.I pray in the spirit every day ,many in my church does not pray in tongues unless the Spirit moves in service.

Verse 32 is pretty much conclussive to me the spirits of the prophets ars subject to the prophets.

In Eph. 6:18 Paul commands us to pray in the Spirit on all occasions.If we can't control when we pray in the Spirit why would He tell us to.

Jude 20 Jude tells us to pray in the Spirit to build our selves up.

I believe all these scriptures are God breathed, not Paul or Jude's idea.

[brodave]

thanks frenchie.i appreciate yoor very kind response.thank you.

i dont believe im expressing myself properly.have you ever heard up there in Pentecost that we are not to speak in tongues until Unctioned...whether in private or public...

It is not the way i was taught, i control when i start and when i stop, i am the speaker. It must be different for a message in tongues or a prophesy to the edification of the church. Sometimes in my church someone was asked to take a brake because the pastor, elders(or many fellow beleivers) discerned that this particular individual was'nt realy manifesting the gift of tongues or prophecy but simply expressing something he has at hearth or his own toughts for example.
I think that the key is to differientiate praying in tongues and the gift of tongues with interpretation. Same tongues but two different things.
I hope this make sense,i'm not realy a teacher,feel free to correct me if need be...

[branham1965]

thank you guys for this.i will read these over and over.

[davido]

When I was about 11 years old, I spoke this that I did not understand
frequently. I thought it was just some quirk I had.
I'm glad it came to me when it was not known to my church,
or any philosophy on the subject. When I came into the charismatic
I then heard many others doing the same.
I'm so glad I didn't come to the subject with all the confusion
about its use. It's like Paul says used in your private prayer closet.
I don't use it in a conference as others do, just not comfortable
that way. It just comes when I'm around the house spontaniously
and thats just fine with me.
I understand it now, the source is from above.

Then too, I've had a few experiences when as in Isiah the Spirit
opened my mouth and fills it with something in English.

The Spirit has many ways of communicating with us.
Sometimes a thought that has conviction we can't explain,
sometimes more than that. I think, the essence is to
be comfortable with the expressions of The Spirit.
As far as using tongues in chruch, that according to Derek
Prince is essential for the working and miracles of The Holy
Spirit, but I don't much get involved with chruch's that
are Spirit filled as they've so many rules or the congregation
isn't actually tuned into the Spirit. As for myhself, tongues
are a private thing, that my kids or wife ask what it is,
and I simply tell them, but its kind of a private thing for me.
I may find myself in the house, or shopping in the store
where theres so much noise anyway, no one seems to
have any idea I'm speaking in tongues. As far as I'm
concerned, I've no desire to elevate my tongues for
exhibution to others, but I've always found its spontaneous
which I like. It's for my own edification. Derek Prince
advises its essential in the church for the moving of The
Holy Spirit which I don't doubt at all, but what congregation
is collectively comfortable with moving in The Spirit and
tlaking in tongues. It would be nice is everyone were
as I, but no so and its not for me to say what others do
or don't do. I just thanful it came to me as a child, wheras
I had not all the versus to explore. The big issue is where
does one actually find an entire group of people whom
are accustommed, comfortable with the expression of
tongues? I've only seen it once at the Lutheran H.S. conference
back in 1975 at Minneaplis. Quite an experience.

[branham1965]

thanks davido.
i dont think i understand your last paragraph ...
please ....explain.

When I was about 11 years old, I spoke this that I did not understand
frequently. I thought it was just some quirk I had.
I'm glad it came to me when it was not known to my church,
or any philosophy on the subject. When I came into the charismatic
I then heard many others doing the same.
I'm so glad I didn't come to the subject with all the confusion
about its use. It's like Paul says used in your private prayer closet.
I don't use it in a conference as others do, just not comfortable
that way. It just comes when I'm around the house spontaniously
and thats just fine with me.
I understand it now, the source is from above.

Then too, I've had a few experiences when as in Isiah the Spirit
opened my mouth and fills it with something in English.

The Spirit has many ways of communicating with us.
Sometimes a thought that has conviction we can't explain,
sometimes more than that. I think, the essence is to
be comfortable with the expressions of The Spirit.
As far as using tongues in chruch, that according to Derek
Prince is essential for the working and miracles of The Holy
Spirit, but I don't much get involved with chruch's that
are Spirit filled as they've so many rules or the congregation
isn't actually tuned into the Spirit. As for myhself, tongues
are a private thing, that my kids or wife ask what it is,
and I simply tell them, but its kind of a private thing for me.
I may find myself in the house, or shopping in the store
where theres so much noise anyway, no one seems to
have any idea I'm speaking in tongues. As far as I'm
concerned, I've no desire to elevate my tongues for
exhibution to others, but I've always found its spontaneous
which I like. It's for my own edification. Derek Prince
advises its essential in the church for the moving of The
Holy Spirit which I don't doubt at all, but what congregation
is collectively comfortable with moving in The Spirit and
tlaking in tongues. It would be nice is everyone were
as I, but no so and its not for me to say what others do
or don't do. I just thanful it came to me as a child, wheras
I had not all the versus to explore. The big issue is where
does one actually find an entire group of people whom
are accustommed, comfortable with the expression of
tongues? I've only seen it once at the Lutheran H.S. conference
back in 1975 at Minneaplis. Quite an experience.

[macca]

Oral Roberts woke up speaking in tongues, its not taught it is wrought by the Spirit of God.