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How did the FATHER KNOW what JESUS did NOT!

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A question...

If Jesus and the Father are the same person... as some Bible illiterates claim, then how could the Father know something that the Son could NOT know?

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.


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If Jesus and the Father are the same person... as some Bible illiterates claim,


John 14:9
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?



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Re: How did the FATHER KNOW what JESUS did NOT!

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Bible illiterates??? .... +ummm +ummm +ummm

the old Black Preacher was asked to describe the Anointing he had.he was uneducated like Brother Branham but was full of Fire and the Holy Spirit.
he thought on it and said well i aint quite sure what it is but i sure do know what it aint!!!!
you say the Father and Jesus were one in thought purpose and so on.so how could He as God not know when the day was???was the Father keeping secrets from Jesus???and the Holy Spirit???


John 14:28 Jesus says the Father is greater than I.He emptied Himself according to Phillipians 2.
as the Son of Man He was subordinate and was the Word made flesh.thats what He is speaking of as Man he did not know all things.
as Man JESUS:
prayed Lk 22:41,died Matt 27:50,inferior to Father Jo 14:28,could do nothing himself Jo 5:30,increased in wisdom and stature Lu 2:52
as GOD JESUS:
answered prayer Jo 14:14,JESUS RESURRECTED HIMSELF :| :| :| Jo 20:9,was equal with God Jo 5:18,gives rest Matt 11:28,has all power Matt 28:18,is the same yesterday today and forever He 13:8.
bibleman wrote:A question...

If Jesus and the Father are the same person... as some Bible illiterates claim, then how could the Father know something that the Son could NOT know?

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.



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The word "us" is an objective form of the word "we." This is brought forth by Websters New World Dictionary. Interestingly enough we have this in the bible and these two words are interchangeable.

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 3:22 (KJV)
22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Genesis 11:7 (KJV)
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Interesting parallel and narrative found as a common thread throughout. This plural of personage is found in the NT as well.

2 John 1:3 (KJV)
3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

I find this intriguing that he emphasizes a difference and is going to great lengths to convey to the reader that there is a difference between the two.

So, I understand what you are saying Leon in asking the question of how the Son did not know everything the Father knew. The reason given is simple - they are not the same person.



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Ray wrote: If Jesus and the Father are the same person... as some Bible illiterates claim,

John 14:9
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Hi Ray,

Care to address my question?

If Jesus and the Father are the same person... as some Bible illiterates claim, then how could the Father know something that the Son could NOT know?

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.


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branham1965 wrote:Bible illiterates??? .... +ummm +ummm +ummm

the old Black Preacher was asked to describe the Anointing he had.he was uneducated like Brother Branham but was full of Fire and the Holy Spirit.
he thought on it and said well i aint quite sure what it is but i sure do know what it aint!!!!
you say the Father and Jesus were one in thought purpose and so on.so how could He as God not know when the day was???was the Father keeping secrets from Jesus???and the Holy Spirit???


John 14:28 Jesus says the Father is greater than I.He emptied Himself according to Phillipians 2.
as the Son of Man He was subordinate and was the Word made flesh.thats what He is speaking of as Man he did not know all things.
as Man JESUS:
prayed Lk 22:41,died Matt 27:50,inferior to Father Jo 14:28,could do nothing himself Jo 5:30,increased in wisdom and stature Lu 2:52
as GOD JESUS:
answered prayer Jo 14:14,JESUS RESURRECTED HIMSELF :| :| :| Jo 20:9,was equal with God Jo 5:18,gives rest Matt 11:28,has all power Matt 28:18,is the same yesterday today and forever He 13:8.
bibleman wrote:A question...

If Jesus and the Father are the same person... as some Bible illiterates claim, then how could the Father know something that the Son could NOT know?

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Hi Billy,

You say above: "as the Son of Man He was subordinate and was the Word made flesh. thats what He is speaking of as Man he did not know all things. as Man JESUS:"

OK then... If Jesus was subordinate and did NOT know all things as you say... How did the Father know? Since according to you the Father IS Jesus?


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i just checked out what Brother Branham really taught about this subject.it is on the "Believe The Sign" website.

i thought it was quite interesting.i had read about it a few years back.

Reverend F.F.Bosworth debated some Preachers who challenged his best friend about Divine Healing.Brother Bosworth let them have it... see Jeremiah 23:29....

the Sign of the Pillar of Fire over his head was then given.



bibleman wrote:
branham1965 wrote:Bible illiterates??? .... +ummm +ummm +ummm

the old Black Preacher was asked to describe the Anointing he had.he was uneducated like Brother Branham but was full of Fire and the Holy Spirit.
he thought on it and said well i aint quite sure what it is but i sure do know what it aint!!!!
you say the Father and Jesus were one in thought purpose and so on.so how could He as God not know when the day was???was the Father keeping secrets from Jesus???and the Holy Spirit???


John 14:28 Jesus says the Father is greater than I.He emptied Himself according to Phillipians 2.
as the Son of Man He was subordinate and was the Word made flesh.thats what He is speaking of as Man he did not know all things.
as Man JESUS:
prayed Lk 22:41,died Matt 27:50,inferior to Father Jo 14:28,could do nothing himself Jo 5:30,increased in wisdom and stature Lu 2:52
as GOD JESUS:
answered prayer Jo 14:14,JESUS RESURRECTED HIMSELF :| :| :| Jo 20:9,was equal with God Jo 5:18,gives rest Matt 11:28,has all power Matt 28:18,is the same yesterday today and forever He 13:8.
bibleman wrote:A question...

If Jesus and the Father are the same person... as some Bible illiterates claim, then how could the Father know something that the Son could NOT know?

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Hi Billy,

You say above: "as the Son of Man He was subordinate and was the Word made flesh. thats what He is speaking of as Man he did not know all things. as Man JESUS:"

OK then... If Jesus was subordinate and did NOT know all things as you say... How did the Father know? Since according to you the Father IS Jesus?



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I find the next interesting also.

Matthew 26:39 (KJV)
39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Jesus speaks here about having and possessing his own will while acknowledging that the Father had his own will. Here you have two wills because of two personages being involved in this prayer.



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branham1965 wrote:i just checked out what Brother Branham really taught about this subject.it is on the "Believe The Sign" website.

i thought it was quite interesting.i had read about it a few years back.

Reverend F.F.Bosworth debated some Preachers who challenged his best friend about Divine Healing.Brother Bosworth let them have it... see Jeremiah 23:29....

the Sign of the Pillar of Fire over his head was then given.



bibleman wrote:
branham1965 wrote:Bible illiterates??? .... +ummm +ummm +ummm

the old Black Preacher was asked to describe the Anointing he had.he was uneducated like Brother Branham but was full of Fire and the Holy Spirit.
he thought on it and said well i aint quite sure what it is but i sure do know what it aint!!!!
you say the Father and Jesus were one in thought purpose and so on.so how could He as God not know when the day was???was the Father keeping secrets from Jesus???and the Holy Spirit???


John 14:28 Jesus says the Father is greater than I.He emptied Himself according to Phillipians 2.
as the Son of Man He was subordinate and was the Word made flesh.thats what He is speaking of as Man he did not know all things.
as Man JESUS:
prayed Lk 22:41,died Matt 27:50,inferior to Father Jo 14:28,could do nothing himself Jo 5:30,increased in wisdom and stature Lu 2:52
as GOD JESUS:
answered prayer Jo 14:14,JESUS RESURRECTED HIMSELF :| :| :| Jo 20:9,was equal with God Jo 5:18,gives rest Matt 11:28,has all power Matt 28:18,is the same yesterday today and forever He 13:8.
bibleman wrote:A question...

If Jesus and the Father are the same person... as some Bible illiterates claim, then how could the Father know something that the Son could NOT know?

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Hi Billy,

You say above: "as the Son of Man He was subordinate and was the Word made flesh. thats what He is speaking of as Man he did not know all things. as Man JESUS:"

OK then... If Jesus was subordinate and did NOT know all things as you say... How did the Father know? Since according to you the Father IS Jesus?
HI Billy,

Interesting information, but would you please show some respect and answer the question! (smile)

If Jesus and the Father are the same person... as some Bible illiterates claim, then how could the Father know something that the Son could NOT know?

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.


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Sounds to me that a couple of select folks on here are trying to push God off as a schizophrenic....


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