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The Rapture of the Church is one of the 4 pillars of the Pentecostal faith! Jesus saves, Jesus heals, Jesus fills with the Holy Ghost and Jesus is COMING AGAIN!

No tribulation for the CHURCH - Jesus is coming to takes us out!
Scriptures on the Rapture -- Christ's Coming FOR the Saints:

1. Pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things ... and to stand before the Son of man (Lk. 21:34).

2. In My Father's house are many mansions ... I go to prepare a place for you ... I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also (Jn. 14:1-3).

3. We shall not all sleep (die physically), but we shall all be changed. In a moment ... at the last trump ... the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we (the living) shall be changed ... put on immortality ... then ... death is swallowed up in victory (1Cor. 15:51-56).

4. Christ loved the church ... that He might present it to Himself (Eph. 5:25-27).

5. From whence (heaven) also we look for ... Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body (Php. 3:11,20-21; 2Cor. 5:1-9).

6. For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven ... the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air (note on earth, to go back to heaven with Him; 1Th. 4:13-18; 2:19; 3:13; 5:9,23).

7. We beseech you ... by our gathering together unto Him ... until he be taken out of the way (2Th. 2:1,7-8, notes).

8. When Christ ... shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in glory (Col. 3:4; 1Jn. 2:28; 3:2; 1Pet. 5:4).

9. Be patient ... unto the coming of the Lord... until He receive the early and latter rain (Jas. 5:7-8).

Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 2".


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Rev. Bible,

You use the above Scriptures in an attempt to prove that the Church is removed prior to the tribulation. How many of them mention a tribulation?

The timing of this event is the central question and none of the Scriptures that you give prove your viewpoint. This event COULD occur prior to the tribulation, or it very well could be that Christ only returns once more (not twice more) and that this is when this event occurs.

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I totally agree the scriptures given only prove that one day we will be with Christ. None prove that they occur before, during or after a tribulation, there is no mention of tribulation in any of them. None provide a timing at all.



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NineCrows wrote:Rev. Bible,

You use the above Scriptures in an attempt to prove that the Church is removed prior to the tribulation. How many of them mention a tribulation?

The timing of this event is the central question and none of the Scriptures that you give prove your viewpoint. This event COULD occur prior to the tribulation, or it very well could be that Christ only returns once more (not twice more) and that this is when this event occurs.

Have a blessed afternoon.
Hey ninecrows,

Well really I did not post those as proof the church would not go through the tribulation. I just sort of headlined those with that inspirational thought.

And as to Jesus returning ONLY one more time? To earth YES, but if you include His return in the AIR to rapture the Saints... then you would have two times.

But to address your question of the Rapture being before the Tribulation as the BIBLE teaches read the following.
There are a number of scriptures in the Bible that make it crystal clear that the rapture will take place before the tribulation.
Here are a few examples from Christ and the New Testament writers.

First, Jesus Christ plainly urged us to “watch . . . and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things [i.e., things of the tribulation of Lk. 21:1-11, 25-33] that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man” (Lk. 21:36).

It would be a false promise of Christ to His disciples of this whole Church Age if no “worthy” saints are to escape the last day events of the tribulation. It would be truly needless and give a false hope for anyone to pray to escape “all these things” if nobody is to escape them. The promise is clear here that all worthy ones will escape going through all these things and will literally be “caught up” to meet the Lord in the air and “to stand before the Son of man.” Saints could not possibly stand before the Son of man until the time when He comes to receive us to Himself (Jn. 14:1-3), and to “meet the Lord in the air,” which will be at the time of the rapture (1 Th. 4:13-16).

Second, Paul said that the Church—the hinderer of lawlessness—will be removed before the revelation of the Antichrist (2 Th. 2:5-10). See Chapter 10, Proof 1.

Third, John was definitely told by Christ to “come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter,” that is, after the churches (Rev. 4:1).
Besides the above, the four exclusive raptures (see Chapter 11) also confirm the fact of the rapture of the Church before the tribulation and Daniel’s 70th Week.
Finis J. Dake, The Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Publishing, Inc., 1998), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 91-81.
And as Dake would say... That is what the Bible teaches: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!


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Justaned wrote:I totally agree the scriptures given only prove that one day we will be with Christ. None prove that they occur before, during or after a tribulation, there is no mention of tribulation in any of them. None provide a timing at all.
Hi Justaned my friend,

The fact that you disagree strengthens my confidence that I am on solid BIBLICAL ground! +wink


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bibleman wrote:
Justaned wrote:I totally agree the scriptures given only prove that one day we will be with Christ. None prove that they occur before, during or after a tribulation, there is no mention of tribulation in any of them. None provide a timing at all.
Hi Justaned my friend,

The fact that you disagree strengthens my confidence that I am on solid BIBLICAL ground! +wink
Bibleman you get your confidence in weird ways. :crazyeyes: I get my confidence from scripture.

No one can deny that
Matthew 24:30-31 (NKJV)
30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
doesn't sound just like
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (NKJV)
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
And we know Matthew 24:30-31 is definitely talking of Jesus' return after what Jesus calls the tribulation.

Frankly I believe that blows your whole theory out of the water.



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Justaned wrote:
bibleman wrote:
Justaned wrote:I totally agree the scriptures given only prove that one day we will be with Christ. None prove that they occur before, during or after a tribulation, there is no mention of tribulation in any of them. None provide a timing at all.
Hi Justaned my friend,

The fact that you disagree strengthens my confidence that I am on solid BIBLICAL ground! +wink
Bibleman you get your confidence in weird ways. :crazyeyes: I get my confidence from scripture.

No one can deny that
Matthew 24:30-31 (NKJV)
30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
doesn't sound just like
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (NKJV)
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
And we know Matthew 24:30-31 is definitely talking of Jesus' return after what Jesus calls the tribulation.

Frankly I believe that blows your whole theory out of the water.
Hi Justaned,

Above you said: "Bibleman you get your confidence in weird ways. I get my confidence from scripture."

That is strange... From reading your post I didn't know you owned a Bible! +goofy

I guess you think God only has one trumpet and only blows it one time?


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bibleman wrote:
Justaned wrote:
bibleman wrote:
Justaned wrote:I totally agree the scriptures given only prove that one day we will be with Christ. None prove that they occur before, during or after a tribulation, there is no mention of tribulation in any of them. None provide a timing at all.
Hi Justaned my friend,

The fact that you disagree strengthens my confidence that I am on solid BIBLICAL ground! +wink
Bibleman you get your confidence in weird ways. :crazyeyes: I get my confidence from scripture.

No one can deny that
Matthew 24:30-31 (NKJV)
30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
doesn't sound just like
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (NKJV)
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
And we know Matthew 24:30-31 is definitely talking of Jesus' return after what Jesus calls the tribulation.

Frankly I believe that blows your whole theory out of the water.
Hi Justaned,

Above you said: "Bibleman you get your confidence in weird ways. I get my confidence from scripture."

That is strange... From reading your post I didn't know you owned a Bible! +goofy

I guess you think God only has one trumpet and only blows it one time?
Unless you supply scitpure that definitely shows Matthew 24 and 1 Thess 4 events to be two separate events and since they are nearly identical in their description of the event, I would say your theory has absolutely nothing to stand on.



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Justaned wrote:
bibleman wrote:
Justaned wrote:
bibleman wrote:
Justaned wrote:I totally agree the scriptures given only prove that one day we will be with Christ. None prove that they occur before, during or after a tribulation, there is no mention of tribulation in any of them. None provide a timing at all.
Hi Justaned my friend,

The fact that you disagree strengthens my confidence that I am on solid BIBLICAL ground! +wink
Bibleman you get your confidence in weird ways. :crazyeyes: I get my confidence from scripture.

No one can deny that
Matthew 24:30-31 (NKJV)
30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
doesn't sound just like
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (NKJV)
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
And we know Matthew 24:30-31 is definitely talking of Jesus' return after what Jesus calls the tribulation.

Frankly I believe that blows your whole theory out of the water.
Hi Justaned,

Above you said: "Bibleman you get your confidence in weird ways. I get my confidence from scripture."

That is strange... From reading your post I didn't know you owned a Bible! +goofy

I guess you think God only has one trumpet and only blows it one time?
Unless you supply scitpure that definitely shows Matthew 24 and 1 Thess 4 events to be two separate events and since they are nearly identical in their description of the event, I would say your theory has absolutely nothing to stand on.
Say what ever you like... But the Bible remains the same.

Matthew 24:30-31 is dealing with the Second Coming as YOUR Assembly of God church teaches.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 is dealing with the Rapture as YOUR Assembly of God church teaches.

Read this and look up the Scripture passages and you will be free from your confusion and misunderstanding of end time events.
Trumpets always sounded at gatherings of Israel (Ex. 19:13-19; Lev. 25:9; 1Sam. 13:3; 2Sam. 2:28).
This trumpet is predicted in Isa. 18:3; 27:13; Zech. 9:14.
This is not the same as the seven trumpets of Rev. 8:2,6 or the trumpets in connection with the resurrection of the righteous (1Th. 4:16; 1Cor. 15:51-58).
Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 24".


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dolph wrote:Bibleman is 100% correct with his pre-trib scriptures. Jn 14:1-3; Luke 21:36; 2Thes 2:7; Col. 3:4 are irrefutable.

But not all doctrine can be recapped in one verse, take the trinity, for example.

I feel the Jews return to Israel in 1948 is a huge factor that the post toasties have great trouble explaining in conjunction with Romans C. 9-11 and the fact that God is primarily dealing with Israel in Revelation C.4-19, and that Gabriel's six prophesies are yet to be fulfilled and Isaiah's prophesy that Israel would return a SECOND time.

Secondly, would it not be just a little confusing if the resurrection and the Battle of Armageddon took place on the same day!!!! An administrative nightmare!!! We are talking about hundreds of millions of people many of whom have never seen a gun, a car, cell phone, an airplane, etc, etc.

Seven years would be a perfect amount of time to visit with family and friends, be brought up to par about recent history, correct Bible doctrine, the Church, attend a wedding banquet and get one's assignment for the Battle of Armageddon and one's position/duties for the days following Christ's victory.

Take the Normandy invasion and multiply it's complexity times millions!!

If you wanted to create a mass traffic nightmare schedule hundreds of people rising from the dead, making a U-Turn in the clouds and returning to earth with Christ!
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