Dolph,dolph wrote:Bibleman is 100% correct with his pre-trib scriptures. Jn 14:1-3; Luke 21:36; 2Thes 2:7; Col. 3:4 are irrefutable.
But not all doctrine can be recapped in one verse, take the trinity, for example.
I feel the Jews return to Israel in 1948 is a huge factor that the post toasties have great trouble explaining in conjunction with Romans C. 9-11 and the fact that God is primarily dealing with Israel in Revelation C.4-19, and that Gabriel's six prophesies are yet to be fulfilled and Isaiah's prophesy that Israel would return a SECOND time.
Secondly, would it not be just a little confusing if the resurrection and the Battle of Armageddon took place on the same day!!!! An administrative nightmare!!! We are talking about hundreds of millions of people many of whom have never seen a gun, a car, cell phone, an airplane, etc, etc.
Seven years would be a perfect amount of time to visit with family and friends, be brought up to par about recent history, correct Bible doctrine, the Church, attend a wedding banquet and get one's assignment for the Battle of Armageddon and one's position/duties for the days following Christ's victory.
Take the Normandy invasion and multiply it's complexity times millions!!
If you wanted to create a mass traffic nightmare schedule hundreds of people rising from the dead, making a U-Turn in the clouds and returning to earth with Christ!
In all honesty, How many of the Jews that returned to Israel in 1948 are the SPIRITUAL children of Abraham? Can you not see that the Scriptures speak of a those who are saints as a Spirtual Israel, A Spiritual Children of Abraham?
Romans 9:7
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Galatians 4:28
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Galatians 3:6-7
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Galatians 3:29
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise
Dolph,
1 Corinthians 2:12-14
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.