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by Jay
Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:59 pm
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Holy Spirit manifestations
Replies: 34
Views: 49741

Re: Holy Spirit manifestations

Clearly the works of the devil. (1 John 3:8). Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. I totally agree! What gets me are "believers" that start snapping their head around. That seriously looks like demon possession. We've all seen the minister that used to be from Orlando and his antics. What ...
by Jay
Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:38 pm
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Hell, when was it created.
Replies: 18
Views: 15019

Re: Hell, when was it created.

Ironman, the Bible is silent on the issue. But as I posted in another thread, I believe it was created sometime AFTER Lucifer's flood, Genesis 1:2.There was no hell, therefore the pre-Adamite beings, once they were destroyed, had no place to go. Therefore, they roam the earth seeking bodies as hosts...
by Jay
Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:14 pm
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Angels - Will they Fall Again?
Replies: 34
Views: 32422

Re: Angels - Will they Fall Again?

Hello Jay, Jay, is Finis Dake your final authority on Scripture ? Hi Ray, LOL, I hope you are joking. Absolutely not but I do appreciate Dake's studies and like I told Dolph, I agree with about 99% of what Dake believed because, I believe Dake's doctrine is Biblical. The Word should be the final au...
by Jay
Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:06 pm
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Angels - Will they Fall Again?
Replies: 34
Views: 32422

Re: Angels - Will they Fall Again?

Jaymc, you Rhema students are sharp. I agree with you 100%. My first pastor was a Rhema graduate going back to the eighties, Patrick Bowen. I was saved at a Copeland-Hagen convention at the Anaheim Convention Center in 1978. Is it possible the honorable Doctor Dake wasn't perfect?? Seriously, he is...
by Jay
Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:05 pm
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Angels - Will they Fall Again?
Replies: 34
Views: 32422

Re: Angels - Will they Fall Again?

No, Ironman, the blood of Christ was only shed once, once and for all. But, I am still overcoming Satan with that blood and the word of my testimony as is the church. The only way we can believe that a third of the angels fell with Satan at the beginning is to take parts of Revelation 12 as past and...
by Jay
Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:45 am
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Angels - Will they Fall Again?
Replies: 34
Views: 32422

Re: Angels - Will they Fall Again?

Scripture tells us that it was definately one third of God's angels that fell during the rebellion past, and this fact is only being reinforced that it was indeed one third that fell with Lucifer in Rev. 12:4. No Scripture that I can find teaches that any more fall in the future. One third fell in ...
by Jay
Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:22 am
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Angels - Will they Fall Again?
Replies: 34
Views: 32422

Re: Angels - Will they Fall Again?

Jay, I think you may have a valid point about the one third of the angels rebelling being in the future. I had always thought Rev.12:4 was a reference back to Ez. 28 or Isa. 14, but not so. Dake appears silent on this. Couldn't one go a step further on this and question if the "third part of the st...
by Jay
Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:13 pm
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Angels - Will they Fall Again?
Replies: 34
Views: 32422

Re: Angels - Will they Fall Again?

So, Jay, you're saying 1/3 of the angels didn't fall in the past, that this is probably ONLY a future event? If we take the rest of Rev 12 to be in the future, yes, we have to take that as part of the future too. How can we say one verse in Rev 12 is something that happened in eternity past when th...
by Jay
Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:49 am
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Angels - Will they Fall Again?
Replies: 34
Views: 32422

Re: Angels - Will they Fall Again?

Thanks Macca, but you too, are using a future event and tying it into a past event. Rev. 12 is in the future and Satan's fall was in the past. We don't know exactly how many angels fell with Lucifer. It could have been less and it could have been more than a third. But, if we read ALL of Rev. 12 as...
by Jay
Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:43 am
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Angels - Will they Fall Again?
Replies: 34
Views: 32422

Re: Angels - Will they Fall Again?

Hi Ironman, With all due respect, I agree with much of what you have to say but have to disagree with you on some points. I've included my comments interspersed with yours. The Types of Angels, Good and Evil. While all the angels were originally created holy and without sin, there was a rebellion b...