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by bibleman
Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:17 pm
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Eternal Security
Replies: 118
Views: 956

Re: Eternal Security

I have done my best to answer all your questions. Here is the grind: I believe in Mat. 7:22 they were telling the truth(and I have very clearly given my reasons why) and you believe they were lying. Jesus said He never knew them . If my interpretation is right that they were indeed doing all those ...
by bibleman
Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:55 pm
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Eternal Security
Replies: 118
Views: 956

Re: Eternal Security

Bibleman said, But what you are saying is Judas was never saved. So your example of ministers falling into sin does not apply. If a minister commits a death penalty sin and doesn't repent he is lost so what difference does it make? Our discussion was around whether a sinner can preach, heal, and de...
by bibleman
Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:35 pm
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Eternal Security
Replies: 118
Views: 956

Re: Eternal Security

No Jesus is not in the business of calling sinners into the ministry. It breaks his heart just like it did concerning Judas and just like it will at the judgment day with the many. This has been my point which is important. Have you not heard of ministers that had healing/deliverance ministries tha...
by bibleman
Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:44 pm
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Eternal Security
Replies: 118
Views: 956

Re: Eternal Security

Let me clarify my last response so it doesn't seem like I was being sarcastic. The gifts and callings of God are without repentance. It seems to me from Mat 7:22-23 and personal observation that there are many people who are called into some type of ministry that are doing miracles in Jesus' name t...
by bibleman
Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:28 pm
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Eternal Security
Replies: 118
Views: 956

Re: Eternal Security

I believe we are getting to the heart of our difference in interpretation with Mat 7:22-23. You think the context of verses 24-27 has to do with proving that the many in v. 22 really didn't do those 3 things they said but were just saying they did. Here is my interpretation of verses 24-27. Chapter...
by bibleman
Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:34 am
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Eternal Security
Replies: 118
Views: 956

Re: Eternal Security

Bibleman said, If healing the sick, preaching the Gospel and casting out devils is not evidence - Then you will never be convinced of the truth. I could use that same argument for you not believing Mat. 7:22-23 to be true. I respect the difference of opinion of you and others on this subject. And e...
by bibleman
Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:11 am
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: The final quest
Replies: 3
Views: 57

Re: The final quest

Sounds like his vision was given to him by John Bunyan of Pilgrim's Progress! But not from God.
by bibleman
Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:07 am
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Eternal Security
Replies: 118
Views: 956

Re: Eternal Security

Let me please ask you this question.... Do you believe that a truly, for real, born again Christian can sin away his relationship with God by committing murder.. That is if a Christian who murders his wife - will he for the act of that murder become lost again and lose his salvation? Yes, I believe...
by bibleman
Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:46 pm
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Eternal Security
Replies: 118
Views: 956

Re: Eternal Security

Let me please ask you this question.... Do you believe that a truly, for real, born again Christian can sin away his relationship with God by committing murder.. That is if a Christian who murders his wife - will he for the act of that murder become lost again and lose his salvation? Yes, I believe...
by bibleman
Thu Aug 17, 2017 4:55 pm
Forum: Dake Bible Discussion Board
Topic: Eternal Security
Replies: 118
Views: 956

Re: Eternal Security

I am really trying to take a break from this topic but because of the seriousness of this topic I feel compelled to respond. I know some of my thoughts disagree with Dake and others who have posted on this topic. However, we do need to be careful not to just jump on one person's teaching because th...

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